ALSO. I just thought of this one time Keltie had said something like "I can't fix him, I just hold his hand sometimes" and people were responding to it like:
"she can't fix him? As if he's broken or something? Is he a clock? lol gtfo Keltie" and just..really
wtf where do fans get off saying what Ryan is and isn't? Wouldn't Keltie know better than any of US? Wasn't it painfully obvious how much shit he had gone through before?
i remember reading that and thinking 'yes' and 'please stay' and never being let to voice that positive opinion because near everyone read that and went 'uh whatever whore. he can fix himself u no'
you know, when i first read that thing that keltie had written (and i remember it VERY well) i didn't like her at all. i think i thought she was stupid, but i know for sure i didn't like/respect/know anything about her. but dude, i remember, i almost cried reading that. god.
keltie DOES know better than any of us, i don't know the personal things ryan went through, but i know what he's told the fans/magazines, and it's hard shit. yes, there are people with much much harder lives, but seriously? not the point. he had a hard time, and she was there for him. i don't understand.
i don't get it and i probably never will, the hate and the almost contradictory opinions of the majority of the fanbase. it's almost disheartening sometimes, actually, in cases of some of the shit that keltie has gotten, it is terribly disheartening.
you're so welcome, but this mostly for myself. i've been thinking to myself a lot about how keltie and ryan are treated separately and as a couple, and it just hurts, honestly. it took me a while to warm up to keltie, but she's such an amazing woman and she lost a fucking job over some of the petty things said about her on the internet. she LOST A JOB. because some jealous teenagers couldn't keep their negative energy to themselves.
There's like, too much for me to even point out, but I agree with pretty much everything.
While I'm not a huge fan of Keltie, I certainly don't hate her, I'm still just indifferent, which is what I think should be, she isn't using Ryan to help her career. I mean, his band is pretty famous, but the name Ryan Ross isn't really that big in the world
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in perspective, ryan couldn't get keltie any further in her industry than she is right now. i guarantee you, if they were under 21 still, they couldn't get into a bar/casino/club just by their names. they're not THAT famous. people recognize the band name Panic at the Disco, but they don't have real connections, honestly. it's hard for me to see it in perspective because this band means so much to me and i pay much more attention to them than i do like, pop stars, but i'm aware that they're not THAT BIG anymore.
and i'm not trying to get people to fall in love with keltie! obviously it makes plenty of sense for you not to fangirl her or anything. it's nice that you're indifferent. i would much rather people be indifferent or at least, you know, respect her as a HUMAN than spread hate. it's just not cool, no matter who it is
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Yeah, I totally respect her. I know what she does takes a lot and I'm definitely not disregarding her talent by any means. But as for her and Ryan's relationship, it's just whatever to me. I'm glad they're happy, they honestly seem it and I think that's great.
The thing is, I've always found Ryan interesting even when I didn't like him that much. I hate saying that, because I did like him, just not as much as I do now. I think you know what I mean. gkjhflkhfgh. But I listened to the things he had to say because he was quiet and I liked what came out of his mouth. He's always had a personality, it was just a little harder to see than the others. I don't know why a lot people couldn't see that.
i'm glad you get that ]: i would love it if you loved keltie, but i'm very happy that you know how to respect her and her relationship with ryan. the rest of fandom doesn't seem to be able to leave well enough alone - if THEY aren't totally happy with it, they feel the need to bash keltie and/or ryan. UGH.
i've always found him interesting too! when i got the fever dvd, while everyone else was saying that it would've been awesome if ryan stopped talking so much, i was excited that he talked ]: i loved hearing what he thought about the music and his relationship with brendon and i thought it was awesome. it's very obvious that he's always been a sarcastic little jerk, and i love that about him. i don't know why people don't get that ]:
lol IAWTP doesn't seem like a very adequate response but REALLY. I agree with this.
Back in the Ryhawk/makeup/whatever stage, I always thought Ryan was a pretty face, but that's about it. Like, I liked Jon because he used to blog a lot, Brendon was always talking in interviews, along with Spencer and Ryan just kind of. Sat there and looked pretty. Of course I was ~curious~ about him because he wrote all those songs but really, I didn't pay that much attention.
Then Ryan started talking more. Started smiling more. Started connecting with the audience. At first I was like, "oh Ryan Ross can be funny!" and that's when I started liking him more. I mean, NOODLE. I don't know why people want him to shut up. I'm 100% sure I'm very biased, but really, "I wish Ryan and Keltie break up so Ryan will be emo again and write another album like fever"? No.
So Keltie. I honestly really don't think people should care about her, unless they actually do. There are people who just go and follow her ~internet life~ because she's Ryan's girlfriend. And
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keltie fucking colleen has choreographed for john legend. panic is on her dance reel because she has worked professionally with them, not cause she thinks it'd be cool to rub it in girl's faces. i follow her blog NOW because i think she's an amazing role model and i enjoy her and ryan's relationship and i like hearing about the things they do. i understand other people don't like her, but watching her blog so you can bash her? not fucking cool. nobody deserves that, least of all some girl from canada just trying to live out her dream. what you said makes a ton of sense - don't care about her unless you DO. it takes a second to understand lol but it's a great message.
and you don't have to be a keltie fan to defend her. there's a difference, like i've said many times, between being a fan and being a respectful human being.
it disgusts me when people want ryan to break up with keltie so he'll get sad again. honestly? it wouldn't matter if he was dating, ryan wouldn't have written another album like fever anyway. that first half of
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john legend > panic, tbh. and seriously do people just go "oh i'm bored i'll check keltie's blog to see if there's anything I can make fun of/bash her about." WHY? Like I said to Reese (I think), why do people put themselves through that kind of aggravation when they don't HAVE to? :\
i can't fix him, i can only hold his hand sometimes -- I irl awww-ed at that the first time I read it! Of course everybody needs someone to help them through life in general, but I don't think Keltie could have ~saved~ Ryan even if she wanted to without Ryan helping himself. He's old enough to take care of himself. They both are. And they both do.
When their next album comes out and it sounds nothing like Pretty Odd, I wonder who/what people will blame next. PEOPLE CHANGE. Wouldn't it be weird to see a 22-year old Ryan Ross wearing a rosevest with birds on his face?
because they're just...i have NO IDEA, ja9. i have no idea. it hurts my feelings. ]:
yeah definitely, like i said in the main post - independence. keltie could live without ryan and vice versa, but they help each other out and they fell in love, you can't help that.
while i think keltie influences the way the lyrics were written (see: wtdmtn, obviously, northern downpour, etc) i'm positive she didn't have THAT much of an effect on the album process. it was a collaborative band effort and lol they're not all dating keltie.
AND YES IT WOULD BE WEIRD TO SEE HIM LIKE THAT! i still don't understand the misogyny. masses of straight teenage girls want to see ryan ross the most feminine he's ever been...for no logical reason? HMM
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It just scares me how deluded people can be. Not just in this fandom but MANY fandoms.
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"she can't fix him? As if he's broken or something? Is he a clock? lol gtfo Keltie" and just..really
wtf where do fans get off saying what Ryan is and isn't? Wouldn't Keltie know better than any of US? Wasn't it painfully obvious how much shit he had gone through before?
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i remember reading that and thinking 'yes' and 'please stay' and never being let to voice that positive opinion because near everyone read that and went 'uh whatever whore. he can fix himself u no'
it makes me sad.
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keltie DOES know better than any of us, i don't know the personal things ryan went through, but i know what he's told the fans/magazines, and it's hard shit. yes, there are people with much much harder lives, but seriously? not the point. he had a hard time, and she was there for him. i don't understand.
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i don't get it and i probably never will, the hate and the almost contradictory opinions of the majority of the fanbase. it's almost disheartening sometimes, actually, in cases of some of the shit that keltie has gotten, it is terribly disheartening.
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While I'm not a huge fan of Keltie, I certainly don't hate her, I'm still just indifferent, which is what I think should be, she isn't using Ryan to help her career. I mean, his band is pretty famous, but the name Ryan Ross isn't really that big in the world ( ... )
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and i'm not trying to get people to fall in love with keltie! obviously it makes plenty of sense for you not to fangirl her or anything. it's nice that you're indifferent. i would much rather people be indifferent or at least, you know, respect her as a HUMAN than spread hate. it's just not cool, no matter who it is ( ... )
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The thing is, I've always found Ryan interesting even when I didn't like him that much. I hate saying that, because I did like him, just not as much as I do now. I think you know what I mean. gkjhflkhfgh. But I listened to the things he had to say because he was quiet and I liked what came out of his mouth. He's always had a personality, it was just a little harder to see than the others. I don't know why a lot people couldn't see that.
idk, people are annoying and blah.
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i've always found him interesting too! when i got the fever dvd, while everyone else was saying that it would've been awesome if ryan stopped talking so much, i was excited that he talked ]: i loved hearing what he thought about the music and his relationship with brendon and i thought it was awesome. it's very obvious that he's always been a sarcastic little jerk, and i love that about him. i don't know why people don't get that ]:
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Back in the Ryhawk/makeup/whatever stage, I always thought Ryan was a pretty face, but that's about it. Like, I liked Jon because he used to blog a lot, Brendon was always talking in interviews, along with Spencer and Ryan just kind of. Sat there and looked pretty. Of course I was ~curious~ about him because he wrote all those songs but really, I didn't pay that much attention.
Then Ryan started talking more. Started smiling more. Started connecting with the audience. At first I was like, "oh Ryan Ross can be funny!" and that's when I started liking him more. I mean, NOODLE. I don't know why people want him to shut up. I'm 100% sure I'm very biased, but really, "I wish Ryan and Keltie break up so Ryan will be emo again and write another album like fever"? No.
So Keltie. I honestly really don't think people should care about her, unless they actually do. There are people who just go and follow her ~internet life~ because she's Ryan's girlfriend. And ( ... )
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and you don't have to be a keltie fan to defend her. there's a difference, like i've said many times, between being a fan and being a respectful human being.
it disgusts me when people want ryan to break up with keltie so he'll get sad again. honestly? it wouldn't matter if he was dating, ryan wouldn't have written another album like fever anyway. that first half of ( ... )
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i can't fix him, i can only hold his hand sometimes -- I irl awww-ed at that the first time I read it! Of course everybody needs someone to help them through life in general, but I don't think Keltie could have ~saved~ Ryan even if she wanted to without Ryan helping himself. He's old enough to take care of himself. They both are. And they both do.
When their next album comes out and it sounds nothing like Pretty Odd, I wonder who/what people will blame next. PEOPLE CHANGE. Wouldn't it be weird to see a 22-year old Ryan Ross wearing a rosevest with birds on his face?
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yeah definitely, like i said in the main post - independence. keltie could live without ryan and vice versa, but they help each other out and they fell in love, you can't help that.
while i think keltie influences the way the lyrics were written (see: wtdmtn, obviously, northern downpour, etc) i'm positive she didn't have THAT much of an effect on the album process. it was a collaborative band effort and lol they're not all dating keltie.
AND YES IT WOULD BE WEIRD TO SEE HIM LIKE THAT! i still don't understand the misogyny. masses of straight teenage girls want to see ryan ross the most feminine he's ever been...for no logical reason? HMM
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