There's no way to justify this.pressuredMarch 3 2006, 01:21:12 UTC
This question is loaded, you can't give proof of your own existance. Socrates, "I think therefore I am" is faulty. We cannot prove or disprove that we are the original thinkers or that our reactions are not already conditioned. We can only BELIEVE we exisit.
Re: There's no way to justify this._fauxrealMarch 3 2006, 02:32:37 UTC
"I think therefore I am" is Descartes. Not that it's anyless bullshitty. Man is NOT the pinnacle of creation; our relatively fat brain power doesn't seem so awe inspiring when compared to our weak senses and lack of innate physical protection like the "lesser" animal specieses.
Our reactions are conditioned to prolong our survival, supposedly. Does our social conditioning affect that? Can it explain why people off themselves?
So our existence is not something we can apply normative reasoning for, since it just simply is. Is that what you're saying also?
Also, I thought I was just being funny and fatalist, but I kinda like that you're holding me accountable for philosophical discussion. wee
Re: There's no way to justify this.pressuredMarch 3 2006, 04:34:29 UTC
-Damn, I knew it was a "crates" ah well, better luck next time.
-I'm confused what you mean by "off themselves", not saying that you're meaning masturbation (har har), but can you be more specific? What type of suicide are you implying? Social conditioning does effect our reactions. Say a train is about to run over the one you love. Natural human instinct is to not throw yourself in harm's way-but to "fly" from danger. But it is the conditioning we have gained from society (they expect us to be honorable) that makes us want to throw ourselves infront of the oncoming train to save the one we love. We have been taught, thanks to society, to save love ones, no matter the cost. blah blah heros.
-No, we can't, we don't possess the thought capability to think outside the box in this situation. We've created to many barriers through language and motions which make too many things concrete to look past them. We are -just because.
-oops I thought this was like something from one of your classes, hee!
I really would like to do this. And maybe I will. But allow me to go back to Germany and get some free time first. I will be including pictures in mine.
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Our reactions are conditioned to prolong our survival, supposedly. Does our social conditioning affect that? Can it explain why people off themselves?
So our existence is not something we can apply normative reasoning for, since it just simply is. Is that what you're saying also?
Also, I thought I was just being funny and fatalist, but I kinda like that you're holding me accountable for philosophical discussion. wee
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-I'm confused what you mean by "off themselves", not saying that you're meaning masturbation (har har), but can you be more specific? What type of suicide are you implying? Social conditioning does effect our reactions. Say a train is about to run over the one you love. Natural human instinct is to not throw yourself in harm's way-but to "fly" from danger. But it is the conditioning we have gained from society (they expect us to be honorable) that makes us want to throw ourselves infront of the oncoming train to save the one we love. We have been taught, thanks to society, to save love ones, no matter the cost. blah blah heros.
-No, we can't, we don't possess the thought capability to think outside the box in this situation. We've created to many barriers through language and motions which make too many things concrete to look past them. We are -just because.
-oops I thought this was like something from one of your classes, hee!
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