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There has been a lot of recent debate about the issue of gay marriage and I am disgusted at the ignorance of some people in this respect.
As a heterosexual female planning on marrying a heterosexual male, I am completely for gay marriage. I see no problems whatsoever in granting homosexuals the same rights as I, to love the person and marry the person I want to spend the rest of my life with. There shouldn't even be a distinction. We are all the same. We're all a family under one sky.
Is it really so morally corrupt to want to love and be loved? Should we not all be granted the same rights? Shouldn't a G-d who is so loving want people to love, more than wanting the hate towards homosexuality?
By denying gay marriage, because it is "different," aren't you therefore making interracial marriage also a sin? Why would you even think to say who a person can and cannot marry?! Why should you even care? It won't destroy your home, it wont send our country to the dogs! It will only unite legally the sanction of two men or two women.
Lets suppose that homosexual marriage IS wrong, that it offends you in some way. What right do you have to restrict others from it? I don't like lima beans, but you can have all you want. In fact, you can have my share too.
Eve was wrong as well, and the source of all evil, correct? WOMEN should not be able to get married!
If they are right, and homosexuality is immoral, then its already happened. If all sins are the same in the eyes of G-d, then two sins are being committed, that of premarital sex, and that of homosexual sex. If your real goal is to save these people from sin, then allow them to be married, so the premarital sex will no longer be an issue, cutting the issues down to only one, and therefore cutting the sins in half.
When speaking on the topic of homosexuality, during a 1998 interview on "Face the Nation," now Attorney General John Ashcroft said "I believe the Bible calls it a sin, and that's what defines sin for me." Ashcroft's thoughts are illustrative of the odd fact that the Bible is still the "moral compass" for many Americans. This is true. But shall you not have thoughts for yourself? Shall we take the bible in its heed without further inspection? In the bible it specifically says that Jews are allowed to own slaves, as long as they are not Jewish. The bible also says Didn't your mother tell you not to believe everything you read? Cum grano salis, and for you less learned people, that means "take it with a grain of salt." Mere humans wrote the bible, and humans err.
Homosexuality has been around since the dawn of man, or time. It's present in other animals as well. Why would G-d condemn something so obviously natural. If it happens in nature, G-d created it. If G-d created homosexuality why would he condemn those who practice it?
Shall we not appreciate the thoughts, the minds, the art of those who are homosexual? Leonardo DaVinci was gay, should we burn the Mona Lisa, because it was painted by a gay man, and therefore must be offensive to G-d? Shall we also burn The Last Supper?
And while we're at it, lets burn the tapes of Martin Luther King, Jr, because he isn't like us. Dumb dream of everyone getting along, being equal.
Matthew says, and I certainly agree, that certainly no religion or church should be required to marry gays. A Jew can't marry a gentile in an orthodox shul. I don't think you can marry a divorcee in a Catholic church. We need to accept that different religions have different definitions of sacred marriage, and some of them will be ok with gays and some will not. That's freedom of religion. You can join a friendly religion, or you can go to a justice of the peace. Same options anybody else has.
And forgetting the religious factor all together, lets concentrate on the Constitution, and again taking from Matthew..
No part of the constitution mentions marriage. But the first section of the fourteenth amendment (equal protection clause)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html
says that all states must give all citizens equal legal protection, privileges, and immunities. Thus I figure you should be able to legally marry any citizen you wish. Male, female, third husband or first cousin. Anything less is unconstitutional discrimination. The same argument here that requires legalization of gay marriage also legalizes polygamy, etc. One alternative would be to remove all government sanction for marriage, so everybody would still have equal protection, but that seems like an unpopular choice as well.
"Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
My mother also added that if people were not meant to be homosexual, G-d would not have made them so.
Gay marriage isn't about promiscuous sex, its about two people who love and care for each other, and want to spend the rest of their lives together.
You people seem to like bible quotes. I shall grace you with some.
This one says,
KILL HOMOSEXUALS
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."
(Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
(I thought murder was a sin? maybe I was wrong)
KILL YOUR SON
"Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son who will not obey his father or mother, even though they discipline him. In such cases, the father and mother must take the son before the leaders of the town. They must declare: 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard.' Then all the men of the town must stone him to death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil from among you, and all Israel will hear about it and be afraid." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 NLT)
OH, AND BY THE WAY, G-D APPROVES OF INCEST
"Afterward Lot left Zoar because he was afraid of the people there, and he went to live in a cave in the mountains with his two daughters. One day the older daughter said to her sister, "There isn't a man anywhere in this entire area for us to marry. And our father will soon be too old to have children. Come, let's get him drunk with wine, and then we will sleep with him. That way we will preserve our family line through our father." So that night they got him drunk, and the older daughter went in and slept with her father. He was unaware of her lying down or getting up again. The next morning the older daughter said to her younger sister, "I slept with our father last night. Let's get him drunk with wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him. That way our family line will be preserved." So that night they got him drunk again, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. As before, he was unaware of her lying down or getting up again."
"So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. When the older daughter gave birth to a son, she named him Moab. He became the ancestor of the nation now known as the Moabites. When the younger daughter gave birth to a son, she named him Ben-ammi. He became the ancestor of the nation now known as the Ammonites." (Genesis 19:30-38 NLT)
As a heterosexual female planning on marrying a heterosexual male, I am completely for gay marriage. I see no problems whatsoever in granting homosexuals the same rights as I, to love the person and marry the person I want to spend the rest of my life with. There shouldn't even be a distinction. We are all the same. We're all a family under one sky.
Is it really so morally corrupt to want to love and be loved? Should we not all be granted the same rights? Shouldn't a G-d who is so loving want people to love, more than wanting the hate towards homosexuality?
By denying gay marriage, because it is "different," aren't you therefore making interracial marriage also a sin? Why would you even think to say who a person can and cannot marry?! Why should you even care? It won't destroy your home, it wont send our country to the dogs! It will only unite legally the sanction of two men or two women.
Lets suppose that homosexual marriage IS wrong, that it offends you in some way. What right do you have to restrict others from it? I don't like lima beans, but you can have all you want. In fact, you can have my share too.
Eve was wrong as well, and the source of all evil, correct? WOMEN should not be able to get married!
If they are right, and homosexuality is immoral, then its already happened. If all sins are the same in the eyes of G-d, then two sins are being committed, that of premarital sex, and that of homosexual sex. If your real goal is to save these people from sin, then allow them to be married, so the premarital sex will no longer be an issue, cutting the issues down to only one, and therefore cutting the sins in half.
When speaking on the topic of homosexuality, during a 1998 interview on "Face the Nation," now Attorney General John Ashcroft said "I believe the Bible calls it a sin, and that's what defines sin for me." Ashcroft's thoughts are illustrative of the odd fact that the Bible is still the "moral compass" for many Americans. This is true. But shall you not have thoughts for yourself? Shall we take the bible in its heed without further inspection? In the bible it specifically says that Jews are allowed to own slaves, as long as they are not Jewish. The bible also says Didn't your mother tell you not to believe everything you read? Cum grano salis, and for you less learned people, that means "take it with a grain of salt." Mere humans wrote the bible, and humans err.
Homosexuality has been around since the dawn of man, or time. It's present in other animals as well. Why would G-d condemn something so obviously natural. If it happens in nature, G-d created it. If G-d created homosexuality why would he condemn those who practice it?
Shall we not appreciate the thoughts, the minds, the art of those who are homosexual? Leonardo DaVinci was gay, should we burn the Mona Lisa, because it was painted by a gay man, and therefore must be offensive to G-d? Shall we also burn The Last Supper?
And while we're at it, lets burn the tapes of Martin Luther King, Jr, because he isn't like us. Dumb dream of everyone getting along, being equal.
Matthew says, and I certainly agree, that certainly no religion or church should be required to marry gays. A Jew can't marry a gentile in an orthodox shul. I don't think you can marry a divorcee in a Catholic church. We need to accept that different religions have different definitions of sacred marriage, and some of them will be ok with gays and some will not. That's freedom of religion. You can join a friendly religion, or you can go to a justice of the peace. Same options anybody else has.
And forgetting the religious factor all together, lets concentrate on the Constitution, and again taking from Matthew..
No part of the constitution mentions marriage. But the first section of the fourteenth amendment (equal protection clause)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html
says that all states must give all citizens equal legal protection, privileges, and immunities. Thus I figure you should be able to legally marry any citizen you wish. Male, female, third husband or first cousin. Anything less is unconstitutional discrimination. The same argument here that requires legalization of gay marriage also legalizes polygamy, etc. One alternative would be to remove all government sanction for marriage, so everybody would still have equal protection, but that seems like an unpopular choice as well.
"Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
My mother also added that if people were not meant to be homosexual, G-d would not have made them so.
Gay marriage isn't about promiscuous sex, its about two people who love and care for each other, and want to spend the rest of their lives together.
You people seem to like bible quotes. I shall grace you with some.
This one says,
KILL HOMOSEXUALS
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."
(Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
(I thought murder was a sin? maybe I was wrong)
KILL YOUR SON
"Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son who will not obey his father or mother, even though they discipline him. In such cases, the father and mother must take the son before the leaders of the town. They must declare: 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard.' Then all the men of the town must stone him to death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil from among you, and all Israel will hear about it and be afraid." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 NLT)
OH, AND BY THE WAY, G-D APPROVES OF INCEST
"Afterward Lot left Zoar because he was afraid of the people there, and he went to live in a cave in the mountains with his two daughters. One day the older daughter said to her sister, "There isn't a man anywhere in this entire area for us to marry. And our father will soon be too old to have children. Come, let's get him drunk with wine, and then we will sleep with him. That way we will preserve our family line through our father." So that night they got him drunk, and the older daughter went in and slept with her father. He was unaware of her lying down or getting up again. The next morning the older daughter said to her younger sister, "I slept with our father last night. Let's get him drunk with wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him. That way our family line will be preserved." So that night they got him drunk again, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. As before, he was unaware of her lying down or getting up again."
"So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. When the older daughter gave birth to a son, she named him Moab. He became the ancestor of the nation now known as the Moabites. When the younger daughter gave birth to a son, she named him Ben-ammi. He became the ancestor of the nation now known as the Ammonites." (Genesis 19:30-38 NLT)