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[girlglowstoxic]

By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press Writer Roxana Hegeman, Associated Press Writer - 2 hrs 1 min ago

WICHITA, Kan. - A man suspected of fatally shooting abortion doctor George Tiller in church was in jail Monday while investigators sought to learn more about his background, including his possible connections to anti-abortion groups.

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[jakshadows]

However, I've heard that there are very few doctors in America willing to perform late term abortions

Ya know... If I was a doctor performing such things, I doubt I'd hang any shingles mentioning them. I suspect there are far more than are outwardly known by the general public.

I also think that something like this makes me wish I had gone into obstetrics rather than engineering. I'm contrary by nature.

[jakshadows]

Or be making a fortune off the few you're willing to do!

Seriously though, I suppose it's possible. To the best of my knowlege such doctors seem to flourish even in countries where it's illegal.

Besides, I didn't say a doctor wouldn't tell *anyone*. I only said she wouldn't hang a shingle. A doctor will typically get to know her patients well, and if something occurred that made an abortion an option for the woman, I think the doctor would be sympathetic. How that may translate is dependent on the circumstances. Or so I'd guess.

It's all speculation. I'm sure I wouldn't know of any doctors who perform late-term abortions. Not that many get performed in any case.

[jakshadows]

Probably not to his mind. He may have thought that as long as he's gone, he can't kill any more.

Personally, I think the prolife groups have cause to fear some sort of backlash and agree that this will hurt his cause in the long run.

[emilygurl]

I know lots of pro-lifers, and don't think I know any that feel this was a good choice. It hurts the cause.

[snackbreak]

IDK. I mean, I don't personally condone killing people, obviously, but I read a book recently called "How Nonviolence Protects the State" and while killing is the among the most extreme kinds of political violence that can be performed, I think there is a strong case to be made for non-peaceful acts

[jocelina]

Or in defense of other lives? So I wouldn't be surprised if that's where the shooter was coming from, assuming that was his motivation.

I believe this is the case. People like Scott Roeder think that murdering doctors who provide abortion services is justifiable homicide because doing so protects the fetuses that those doctors would otherwise abort.

Not saying I agree with that, because I don't in the slightest. Just agreeing that that is likely the rationale behind his heinous act.

Pro-life

[emilygurl]

I believe it's wrong, because the ends don't justify the means.

But it is very difficult to debate the issue of it being a "Just War" because if you feel abortion it is murdering innocents, then you might feel it is justified by all the principles.

But to put it bluntly, murder is wrong, and it is not a "war" given proper authority and it does defy the law. If hearts remain unchanged, one death is nothing.... another will simply fill the role.

From a rational standpoint, the women will just seek other doctors, the pro-life movement looks like hypocrites, and a lot of hate, not love, is generated. How does this help?

The peaceful recourse may seem to leave no impact because it is slow in the course of things, but the abortion doctor and nurse who made the movie "The Silent Scream" are now pro-life, and really have convinced lots of people to be pro-life, and really, killing a doctor is only a temporary hold....if someone really becomes pro-life, it is likely a permanent and meaningful change.

[cutout18]

Absolutely, and at least one pro-life group agrees with your sentiment. From the NYT article:
"Troy Newman, the president of Operation Rescue, an anti-abortion group based in Wichita, said he had always sought out “nonviolent” measures to challenge Dr. Tiller, including efforts in recent years to have him prosecuted for crimes or investigated by state health authorities.

“Operation Rescue has worked tirelessly on peaceful, nonviolent measures to bring him to justice through the legal system, the legislative system,” Mr. Newman said, adding, “We are pro-life, and this act was antithetical to what we believe.”"People on both sides of the fence (those with brains anyway) are well aware that the killer is an extremist who does not have a cause so much as a demented world view. Homicidal even. I really hate when shit like this happens, one for the obvious reasons, and two because it further pushes politics to the extremes. Extremist pro-choicers will make him a martyr (he's a victim, people die every day, some for far more heinous reasons

[girlglowstoxic]

hmmm.
i didnt even think about that one.
it irks me when pro-life people say 'pro-abortion'.
i was just going with how the artcicle put it.

[cutout18]

I think it's fine if it's in quotes (have to keep up with integrity of citing sources censor-free), but posters and repliers aren't allowed to use that language from what I recall.

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[kali_kali]

"Anti-choice" is probably the term you're thinking of that is not permitted. The community rules do not have a clear position on "anti-abortion", but as one of the pro-life mods, I find nothing offensive about "anti-abortion", and personally (that is, not speaking for the mod team as a whole), in fact prefer it, since too often discussion in the abortion debate gets caught up in semantics and devolves into "how can you be pro-life if you're for the death penalty/not a vegetarian/a supporter of assisted suicide" or "if you're pro-choice you need to be pro-any-choice anyone could possibly make in their lives about absolutely anything".

Pro-life

[emilygurl]

I'm very against what happened to Tiller