The Grace of Gilda, Part 5, cont’d: “Batman: The Long Halloween” (Part 2 of 2)

Sep 10, 2021 20:29


Read Part 1 here! For all previous installments of the complete Gilda retrospective, check out the tag!

For Gilda Dent, New Year’s Eve was the turning point. And for a brief time, things seem to be improving in her marriage to Harvey.


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ext_5799348 September 11 2021, 04:36:37 UTC
See, the way I figure it (and frankly, super-twisty stories like this one make my head hurt, and it's been years since I read it from start to finish, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not) is this: there were, in fact, three Holidays - Gilda, Alberto, and Harvey.

It went, theoretically, thusly. Harvey was, in fact, planning the Holiday murders all along - or, if not actually the entire series of them, at least a few. He wanted to bump off a few mobsters and clean up the town. But Gilda got there first. She found the gun in his workshop, figured out his basic plan (how, exactly, I don't know), and was like 'I am not going to let my husband risk his career over something like this, but hey, less gangsters = less stress for him/us; not a bad idea', and went out and bumped off bathtub boy.

Perhaps she was going to continue being Holiday - perhaps that was the plan - but that got somewhat disrupted by their house and her getting blown the heck up. She's bedridden/tied to a wheelchair at that point, which aces her out. At this point, I'm ( ... )

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about_faces September 11 2021, 18:38:05 UTC
First off, I wanna thank you for all your long comments and apologize for not getting to the others! I was too focused on trying to finish this that I couldn't afford the time and brain-space to get to them before, but I appreciate you chiming in ( ... )

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ext_5799348 September 12 2021, 04:32:33 UTC
Well, it's kind of my standard format for comments, so - glad you like 'em.

How does it not fit what we're told? I mean, is it ever actually confirmed one way or another that Gilda bumped off the first three? Does she say she did? I was under the impression that she just talked about how it was her idea, and that was more or less it.

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about_faces September 12 2021, 05:05:35 UTC

Well, it’s "confirmed" insofar as Gilda says she committed those murders, and she’s given the last word. In the furnace scene, she outright said she killed Johnny Viti, then slipped out of the hospital on Thanksgiving while Harvey slept, and then did the same on Christmas. We don’t actually get a flashback that shows her killing them, which might have helped some of my logistical issues, but she said she did. Given that it’s her confession in the final pages, we’re to accept that as the truth, and have to deal with it either way ( ... )

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speedleek March 31 2022, 09:50:33 UTC
I'm really enjoying this retrospective on Gilda/Grace Dent. I'm real sucker for underappriciated characters, and Gilda is a charater that I'm not familiar with.

It's fascinating to take a look at how the depictions of a character can change throughout the years, especially the lesser known ones. Writers are given more leeway. I mean, people know Batman and how he's supposed to act. (Even so, he's been subject to many changes throughout the years). But who would get upset over the characterisation of Gilda Dent?

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about_faces June 10 2023, 03:22:02 UTC

Holy heck, sorry to be a year-and-change late to this! I hadn't noticed this comment at the time, and only saw it when I logged back in to respond to someone else! A very belated and long-overdue thanks for reading and commenting!

But I must say, clearly *I* am the one weirdo loser who gets upset over the characterization of Gilda! But then, I've read and cared about these more obscure stories than the vast majority of comic fans, and I dearly wish more people could read and appreciate her roles in the Finger trilogy, Wolfman's two-parter, and the Secret Origins Special story, as well as the Gilda-types in TAS and especially the comic strips. As such, I appreciate you reading this history of mine, and again, sorry to took me so long to get back to you!

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oceaxe June 9 2023, 14:45:13 UTC

I haven't logged into LJ in YEARS but this series of posts drew me in enough to risk it. I greatly enjoyed this deep dive on Gilda Dent.

I'm assuming you've abandoned this project but if not, I'd be very interested to read the rest of your thoughts on the character. I had been hoping to see Gilda in Gotham Knights (not the video game but the tv show on the CW, which I'm enjoying quite a lot) ... but unless they've blended her with another minor villainess, it's seeming unlikely.

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about_faces June 10 2023, 03:17:20 UTC

Thank you so much for reading it, and having enough interest to actually log back into the old site!

I haven't so much abandoned this project as much as gotten discouraged for a couple reasons. The first is that the next post would have to address her absence over the next decade, even while she gets referred to by name on several occasions, before building up to her return in the awful Tony Daniel run right before the New 52. And after that, we have several stories I am honestly not looking forward to covering, like the Long Halloween animated movie, which itself was something of a bullet-to-the-kneecap for my motivation to continue these. That, and the general lack of interest (which is mitigated by comments like yours, which I deeply appreciate!).

And yeah, I'm four episodes behind on GK but I have been very curious to know if Duela's mom is gonna turn out to be Gilda, which... well, as I'll have to get into, there's been this odd tendency since Daniel to cast Gilda as insane and residing in mental institutions. It's a whole ( ... )

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lylth June 16 2023, 18:43:52 UTC
As an artist, the Long Halloween and Sale in general are huge influences! Gilda is a character i see a lot of potential in but it will be difficult to somehow put her into current DC without detouring from what makes her her. The mousy housewife bit is stale, and it would be interesting to be able to see her have more independence and a life outside Harv even when married to him, such as engaging in hobbies or even succeeding in her sculpture as a plot point. She's supposed to be meek, I guess, which does differentiate her from a lot of strong, femme fatale style women in DC, which doesn't have to be a bad thing if played right, but even then I'm not super sure what "played right" would mean. I really enjoyed this whole series and it was very fun and enlightening to read. Great job :)

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