Freedom is all I want

Nov 23, 2004 20:22

I have an aim in life. I want to fight communism and socialism in every way I can, because these two economic systems are based on control and lead to oppression and destruction. Capitalism is a freedom-based economic system which allows everybody to reach his dream. I am a Christian. And I like capitalism, because it is based on Biblical ( Read more... )

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synx November 23 2004, 19:21:14 UTC
I thought the bible forbid 'money lending' which is a central concept of modern economics (and a key component of capitalism)?

As for the last 100 years, I don't think the US has shifted towards capitalism - it has gone here and there, back and forth. If by capitalism you mean the robber-barons of the late 1900s, then yes, but it's for the best :-)

Also your statement doesn't seem to talk about environmental impact - surely to have a comfortable life you need to have a clean environment, but you don't talk about that. Maybe you should add that as well?

Finally, you talk about economic growth but nothing about spiritual growth. We know that unfettered materialism does not lead towards overall well being. Yet your statement reads like a modern-materialist of the 50s denouncing the "red threat" and embracing the new consumer-capitalist society as the way forward.

Also I don't think wisdom = what it takes to succeed in capitalism, certainly not by anyone wise that I know (ask the Dali Lama or perhaps the Pope).

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rp60 November 23 2004, 20:33:25 UTC
As for the last 100 years, I don't think the US has shifted towards capitalism - it has gone here and there, back and forth.

I think I said socialism...

I thought the bible forbid 'money lending' which is a central concept of modern economics (and a key component of capitalism)?

The Bible teaches that borrowing is a curse but being a lender is a good thing; it is a blessing:

"A good man deals graciously and lends; he will guide his affairs with discretion. Surely he will never be shaken; the righteous will be in everlasting remembrance. He will not be afraid of evil tidings; his heart is steadfast, trusting in the LORD." (Psalms 112:5-7 NKJV)

"The LORD will open to you His good treasure, the heavens, to give the rain to your land in its season, and to bless all the work of your hand. You shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow. And the LORD will make you the head and not the tail; you shall be above only, and not be beneath, if you heed the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you today, and are careful ( ... )

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Bible synx November 23 2004, 22:14:16 UTC
Ok, very interesting, but this doesn't seem to offer guidance to those who would seek to manage risk and avoid bad loans.

As for myself, I seek to learn from the great eastern mysticisms, because they seem to fit well with modern physics and offer good advice and guidance with a limited amount of oppressive dogma.

Besides, as a pop star, I give my vote to the Dali Lama over any other spiritual leader.

-ryan

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rp60 November 24 2004, 07:16:16 UTC
The Bible is not a financial planner book primarily, but it still contains a lot of advice for many. If somebody lives by the rules of the Bible and does not borrow at all, then he does not have to worry about getting bad loans. :)

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saeble November 23 2004, 19:39:13 UTC
you frighten me ( ... )

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jeroentiggelman November 23 2004, 23:49:46 UTC
Capitalism is a freedom-based economic system which allows everybody to reach his dream.

I don't believe this at all.

In the past 100 years, America has shifted toward socialism.

Really? I don't think the U.S. even has the concept. Before the fall of the wall, a good joke was that the Russians had only one party to choose from, but the Americans had two almost equally conservative parties to "choose" from. The Democrats are still far more "right-wing" than our conservative party.

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rp60 November 24 2004, 07:21:36 UTC
In the past 100 years, America has shifted toward socialism.
Really? I don't think the U.S. even has the concept.

It is a way of thinking: Those who think that the government is the one that should fix our problems are these people who refuse responsibility and want to turn their freedoms over to government. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton -- these people are not capitalists to say the least.

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FDR destroyed this country with socialism jeroentiggelman November 29 2004, 09:07:00 UTC
Oh wait. Thats not true. He saved it. If it werent for the new deal many of us might never have been born. our ancestors probably would have starved to death on a poor farm during the dust bowl.

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Of dreams and dreamers! marybagain November 25 2004, 04:45:10 UTC
Capitalism is a freedom-based economic system which allows everybody to reach his dream.

I don't believe this at all.

I agree! That statement is rather presumptuous about the nature of peoples' dreams. There is also the implication overall that one system will suit all - which is most unrealistic, given the variety of people and cultures.

Captitalism, to me, seems ok, unless you are very young, very old, sick, handicapped or disadvantaged in some way - socially, mentally, physically, educationally...etc.

In a completely Capitalist system, who will stand up for them?

Surely a balance is needed.

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communicator November 24 2004, 01:32:05 UTC
I guess you don't get out much

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roid November 25 2004, 00:13:26 UTC
Jesus had way more Socialist leanings than Capitalist ones. he never got payed for anything he did, he happily lived an almost possesionless life of giving freely of himself to others, asking nothing in return. and not forcing his views on anyone, but OFFERING them to those wanting to listen ( ... )

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rp60 November 25 2004, 06:54:16 UTC
As I said, my goal is to help America. America is not the whole globe. I am aware of that. :)

Secondly, Jesus set an example to people not the government. The people must provide for each other and love each other. The job of the government is not to provide but to protect people from enemies and uphold justice. Jesus talked to the people not to government officials.

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roid November 25 2004, 09:53:54 UTC
yeah okies.
i just have trouble understanding justifications/excuses for nationalism, is all. i hope you don't encourage methods for american dominance in your travels within your borders, thoughout your life.

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