In the light of darkness: A case for an alcohol state

[owiz22]

Take away love, take away peace, take away sanity, take away joy, take away life, take away hope, all i beg of you is to give me truth. This is my final assertion, the ultimate resolve of a questionable hypothesis, the prevailing thought of a revered principle, the central thesis of an illusive question. Of all the intrinsic values that define

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[tabular_rasa]

Is this base, unsocialized state really the only form of humanity that is truly human? Maybe the real defining feature of humanity is our ability to shapeshift and adapt, to create the social artifice that greater enables us to survive.

[anaisdjuna]

I never feel more dead than when I'm faking something and I only do it for the police or an employer if it's absolutely necessary.

Some of us don't fake and don't lie. We pay for it, but some of us do because we can't not.

Drunks are some of the biggest fakers there are.... They exchange one mask for another.

Give me the courageous and the brave. Give me a community of Outliers.

[tabular_rasa]

Drunks are some of the biggest fakers there are.... They exchange one mask for another.
Very true. If there's one thing I learned in college, until you're passed out on the floor and no longer interacting with other people, drinking is merely another culture with scripted roles to fulfill.

[owiz22]

Thanks for your comment but I will have to completely disagree with you on this one. 1st i think you should see my reply to peauty`s comment Somewhere below. Will you agree with me that at some point when drinking or smoking up you lose complete mental control of what is going on around you ?. At that point, you switch from scripted "proper" mode to complete 100% human mode.

The premise that a drunk person can in anyway be scripted or controlled is in my opinion an unrealistic paradox. The basis for which for which society as we know it is built today makes a prevailing assumption that the members of the society are in a sober state of mind. There is no provision for a drunk in the running of the established institutions of society today. It is in light of the above that drunk person is therefore considered to be a pariah and a nuisance because of the persons blatant defiance of the "script".

I will once again encourage you to read my reply to peauty somewhere below

cheers and thanks for your comment

[rowena_zane]

Give me those that accept the world as it is, all of its flaws, and decide to simply live. The social constructs are an indicative part of existence as a social being. To be truly human without the social constructs you see as "fake," would be a hermit's life. And if that's the way it must be for you, then so be it. Live that life and be happy.

Me, I'll take the dirty streets full of dirty faces and laugh with them and share their joys and triumphs in their pretty dances with different partners wearing different masks. That is also truth, for truth is not absolute. They are part of the teeming mass of humanity, too, and so am I. And so are you.

[goal100to95to90]

*if knowing the full truth was crutial to our species, we'd know it ... it's probably better this way....having a challenge/ goal to strive towards (the process is better than the end result imo)
....also the perception of knowing (to humans in general) is plenty gratifying ... why such a desire to go beyond it?

* also a little question: if you took away all those things (ie. they didn't exist)....what would you be trying to figure out the truth of...(just the purpose of our existance ?? )

* you only get one life...why wouldn't you want to fill it with experiences of love, happiness, etc....instead of looking for some truth (which. by the way, may not exist...i belive everything around us is pretty subjective)

*(warning, may sound stupid)...but, when i'm in love, i think i see things more clearly, ie. in their basic form (a sort of truth you could say)...i don't think i could have one with out the other...same could be said for sanity (obviously)...and some of other things you listed

[goal100to95to90]

also (this may be a bit conterversial ... don't mean to offent anyone)
but ppl that constantly get drunk are one of the biggests examples of avoiding reality...i use to do it and have known a lot of ppl that do it.....when you're in that state you create a reality/"truth" that suits your needs...i doubt that they have potential to have any profound effect on ppl and the world

[peauty]

I don't see how you can say we are zombies while acting, which takes an exploration of the imagination-an exercise that helps carry thoughts into higher places, and then say we are really human while drunk...which drowns your thoughts sinking them into their deepest and darkest depths where illusions and fears lurk- and there you are under their control so they may misguide you into whichever direction they please without you ever even knowing it. As a matter of fact, most of the experiences I've had while drunk I do not know and never will (it is called black out). They are lost forever. Time wasted, which I will never be able to get back

[owiz22]

very interesting responses. I think it is important to note at this point that i hardly drink and never smoke. I came up with this post because I work par time in a club and have interacted with extremely intriguing characters that have shaped much of what I have written today

[peauty]

I did just that and actually your point comes across a lot clearer to me now. I understand your point, and I still, of course, have my disagreements with it but also what it really does is makes me wonder what we would be like if we never followed a social construct/ if we were always drunk? It would probably be total chaos, which gets me wondering even further, why? this must mean that our social construct in very useful in some way.

[thewretchedhole]

but have you wondered why people never lie when they are drunk

My friend, the drunks are the worst when it comes to letting go. Forget the stoners and the trippers. Drunks are the authority on exaggeration and misdirection.

You can find an actor, a faker and the zombified in any walk of life. Inebriation is not the equivalent of enlightenment.

[owiz22]

very interesting responses. I think it is important to note at this point that i hardly drink and never smoke. I came up with this post because I work par time in a club and have interacted with extremely intriguing characters that have shaped much of what I have written today