In the light of darkness: A case for an alcohol state

[owiz22]

Take away love, take away peace, take away sanity, take away joy, take away life, take away hope, all i beg of you is to give me truth. This is my final assertion, the ultimate resolve of a questionable hypothesis, the prevailing thought of a revered principle, the central thesis of an illusive question. Of all the intrinsic values that define

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[igferatu]

One day while playing with my eyes, I noticed that with one eye closed for a few seconds, flat images begin to look 3D. Try it sometime. Interesting as a metaphor (if not a mechanism) for how intoxication can enrich the experience of consciousness even when triggered by something which obstructs neurological function.

In the same way I would say that the ordinary consciousness of Western Civilization is too human - overly domesticated as one might expect when the individual identity is subsumed for collective purposes. We act the way we do most of the time because we are conditioned to satisfy various larger organizations and agendas which we are only vaguely aware of and only filter down to us in the thin trickle that tells us to 'be successful. lose weight. maintain normal.' To reclaim one's full psyche for oneself takes some doing and is a lot easier with drugs (or a near death experience, isolation, meditation, solitude in nature, etc...)

[rowena_zane]

There are a couple assumptions with this argument

[igferatu]

I think this was intended as reply to the main thread but I'll just comment on your last part because the quantum-subjectivity model of truth I think is not the Whole Truth about the Whole Truth

[rowena_zane]

Bravo! I yield to this delicious bit of mental gymnastics. Well thought out and thank you!

[eskaia]

Some of my deepest discussions and communication with others is under the influence of alcohol and other mind-altering substances. It's almost as if a mental filter is taken away, one that is centered around social propriety and self esteem, that dampers our inherent need to honestly express ourselves to the World.

I'm not saying this is true for everyone, we're all our own people. A lot of people are completely incapable of truly thinking on deep ideas in such a state. Some are just the opposite and feel absolutely no qualms with truthful expression in a completely sober state. This is great for them, but for a small (or maybe not-so-small) faction of us, the lubrication these substances provide is fantastic, maybe even essential, for creating deep bonds with others, mutual vulnerability and honest communication. I love it.

Live free, my friend!

[owiz22]

Haha ... I understand what you are saying but i think the irony of everything is the fact that i hardly ever drink alcohol and I never smoke anything, even a water pipe. Primarily because i just dont like the taste of any alcohol and i hate the smell of cigarettes and weed. I have however interacted extensively with drunk and high people and i am intrigued by the effect of these substances on people. I think it is amazing.

[confliction]

I've gathered from my observations that inebriation generally seems to reveal more of a persons true persona, rather than more of a persons 'humanity' (however we want to define that.) What i mean by this is that if the person is naturally very well mannered, or humoured, etc, then they exhibit these traits more so... even to their disadvantage or if they're taken advantage of... and the same for those who are more boisterous, loud mouthed or even violent perhaps... they too will show these traits more strongly the drunker they get

[owiz22]

Well i think you are making the assumption that humanity is not defined as the true nature or character of human beings. I however do not agree with this assessment.

I think people have continuously propagated an erroneous hypothesis that "humanity" or "humane" must be defined primarily as the good characteristics and tendencies within human beings. Therefore if a human being acts like the animal that they are, they are often said to have acted inhumane which is in my opinion ridiculous.

"Humane", "human", or "humanity" should be defined primarily as the genuine characteristics displayed by human beings. As stated in your comment, people generally tend to reveal more of their true persona when under the influence of external substances. Therefore, i believe i will not be completely out of line to insinuate that people are more human when under the influence.

thanks for your comment

[confliction]

Well, i guess we disagree then ^_