What's the ruling?

[adbploink]

Played in a (live) tournament on Sunday. The place we have here on the island does not have the best tournament rules interpretation (for example, when moving players they take the smallest stack, which is horrible). The following situation comes up

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[freelikebeer]

called and get 1500 back. You didn't say raise, and you didn't put enough out to cover a min-raise.

[jpmassar]

'8500' is shorthand for 'raise to 8500', IMHO.
So I would insist that you put in the minimum raise
if I ran the zoo.

[brec]

I'd say it's "shorthand" for silently putting 8500 in chips into the pot. Regardless, I concur with the conclusion, which is in accord with TDA rule 10: "If a player puts in a raise of 50% or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. ..."

[adbploink]

Ah, but then I only made it 1500 more, which is not a valid 50% raise, as the prior raise was 4000.

[jpmassar]

Good point.

I guess one way to look at it is to ignore intention. Saying 8500 is
exactly like putting 8500 into the pot, in this interpretation. Since
that is illegal, we invoke TDA rule 10, which would then suggest that
7000 must remain in the pot, since the player did not put in 50% more.

The other way is to interpret intention: the player clearly meant to raise,
therefore he must raise, and he can't raise more than the minimum,
since he specified a smaller amount.

I'd be pretty happy with either decision.

[schmengie]

its a call