Iran

[itsgrimupnorth]

Iran is showing signs of possible revolution, the people have been protesting in the streets. Mir-Hossein Mousavi has been reported to have vowed martyrdom, should his cause be successfully silenced he will surely be put away or worse; people have been rioting and attempting facility occupations. A lot are using social networking sites such as

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[robotar]

mousavi is a fucking bourgeois participant in a political system that is overtly authoritarian, oligarchical, and will defend -- violently -- a conservative, oppressive politics. this isn't no fucking revolution, it's the democrats scuffling with the republican government. part-and-parcel of the same oppressive political system. they're not going to topple any of that shit.

[itsgrimupnorth]

Perhaps the will not, but authoritarian and conservative governments are not changed with giant steps, most often with baby ones, we should know.

[robotar]

yeah but framing it anything other than what it is -- as some sort of radical direct action -- is irresponsible and does a disservice to both the protesters and anarchists.

[itsgrimupnorth]

Well, I'm trying to spread the word around about the people who are in dissent with their government now. We may differ, but I'd think that when Mousavi vows martyrdom, and the people continue to openly defy their supreme religious leader, well I think that's more than just any other superficial movement. Maybe it's not "radical" in the sense it's not far-left or right, whatever, but I see the people themselves giving the conservative government the finger and trying to take matters into their own hands, that's what I'm for.

I didn't try to frame it, and I'm not trying to associate any other political sort of movements to it; I just posted as how I hope things might get better for the people in Iran they are after all like many of us, protesters.

[bobby1933]

Violence is not chaos, but a response to the fear of chaos. the president and the Ayatollah are both frightened men. Chaos is the mother of all things. Allah created heaven and earth out of chaos. anarchy is as close to chaos as human beings will ordinarily allow them selves to get. The longer the protests go on the better, if only the Republican Guard refuses to open fire. People have already died. Embrace chaos! Do not be afraid! If the authorities insist on talking utter nonesense, the people must show that they can be even more nonesensical than the authorities. Let Allah whisper to the Ayatollah that he is too old and frightened to lead. This is not what Allah had in mind when he sent the archangel to Muhammed.

[itsgrimupnorth]

From chaos comes creativity!

[sergeantbrother]

I am reluctant to take a stand regarding the internal politics of Iran. While I do have some measure of sympathy for many of the protesters, I don't necessarily assume that the election was fixed. It is also true that many of the protests and anti-government activists in Iran are provocateurs who are funded by the US and/or Israel. The US also has a history of meddling in Iran's internal affairs as well as threatening them, funding their enemies, or otherwise using (often clandestine) coercion against them. Any action or even pressure by foreigners, particularly Americans, is going to strengthen the resolve of Ahmadinejad's supports and steal legitimacy from the protesters

[itsgrimupnorth]

I'm aware to most of what you said, and I'm sure that the others who are supporting the protesters are aware as well--at least the ones who don't watch the general media. Foreign interest, I think the that is why it is rather unpopular to support the Iranians among some in the left. However, I can't let the self-interest of shady international entities get in the way of the core of the cause for change by the Iranians themselves.

[sergeantbrother]

I understand, though I'm not sure what sort of action by non-Iranians will actually help the people of Iran. I'm inclined to think that what ever action people from Western nations take, they will end up having the opposite of the intended effect.

[itsgrimupnorth]

I think that's true if the governments involve themselves in the matter. But what about the common individual?

But I think there are indirect ways to do a little to help the Iranians. In the end it is the Iranian's situation, but some outside indirect--and perhaps anonymous--support from the international community--through the internet for example--may make the obstacles the Iranians are facing a little less steep. Small details make a difference in everything I would think.