Police Paranoia

Aug 03, 2017 12:51

Zoë got a new phone and was going to set up a biometric lock for it. I told her she couldn't do that, her password needed to involve something she knows, not just something she has. She asked why ( Read more... )

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ba1126 August 3 2017, 20:49:24 UTC
just because a person wears the uniform, does not always mean they live up to the standard one expects. There are good and bad people in every profession, including police. Knowing one,s rights is how you make sure a person of authority does not abuse his or her authority.

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ba1126 August 3 2017, 21:26:03 UTC
Unfortunately, not all policemen are honest or sympathetic, though MOST are. You might compare it to teachers; all teachers are supposed to be patient and fair, but there will always be a few who don't meet that standard.

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aelf August 4 2017, 01:50:27 UTC
*nods* She's also convinced she'd never have something that could be misconstrued or misunderstood. I expect as she gets older she'll get it more. Or maybe I need to come up with better examples than drug dealer and assassin! :)

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whitebird August 4 2017, 01:49:54 UTC
The police do not have the right to anything not pertinent to what they are investigating.

Zoe has the right to not "protect" her privacy, but to not have it egregiously violated at the whim of someone who may even have good intentions.

All of the rights we have are not to protect what we have, as rights do not need to be protected. They are defined in order to prevent others from overstepping their bounds, and doing something wrong, either inadvertently, or on purpose.

I think how a lot of authority interactions are phrased has really screwed up how people perceive things. You do not have the right to protect your privacy, the police do not have the right to invade your privacy. They've not been granted that right.

I think I said the same thing three ways, but, yeah. That.

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aelf August 4 2017, 01:51:44 UTC
*nods* And it's important we protect those rights to the best of our ability, or we'll (collective we) find out we don't have them any more.

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whitebird August 5 2017, 02:45:08 UTC
Ah, see, that's really my point. We need to remind other people that they are legally restricted from abridging our rights.

"You can't ask me to provide my ID, because that is currently illegal."

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khatru August 5 2017, 23:07:32 UTC
This is a child who has never had reason to lie to her parents. On the one hand, that's a good thing. On the other, it's lack of a critical life experience, of defending onesel from authority figures.

I suspect you could create hypotheticals to infinity and not make an impression. Perhaps finding RL examples where authority abused someone doing something perfectly legal, for personal gain? I suggest looking up abuses of the RICO laws for some egregious examples.

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aelf August 10 2017, 01:15:31 UTC
We have a perfect example in our own backyard. The dairy we get our milk from had a lot of money confiscated by the government for structured deposits. There was a big legal battle, eventually they got some of the money back. While it was going on, we used it as an example of how drug laws have gone nuts, and how the gov't and authority is not to be trusted. We probably sound like tin foil hatters. But somehow, she still thinks that lying is Wrong. She's young yet. If she's still this honest by 16 I'll need to do something drastic! :)

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