I really enjoyed this! You touched on so many of the really important things that the writers seem to forget - like Stull and that they both started the apocalypse. There's so much raw emotion here and you captured it perfectly!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Sometimes it feels like stuff that happened seasons ago is off the table for current episodes, but then you have someone like Tracy show up with her "some dumb kid" comment, and I just don't know what the writers are trying to do from one episode to the next. I would prefer they keep all of the history in mind when writing, of course, but I would settle for "that's in the past, we're done with it" and then not have it come back randomly out of context.
Whew! Either way, thanks for reading and commenting!
I'm really intrigued by the idea that Sam might question reality. It makes absolute sense, considering Lucifer, and the knowledge that Gadreel had created a pretty convincing reality. That he has this fear that he might still be under Gadreel's possession, and that Gadreel is killing everyone, is devastating. My poor Sam!
It did take me 5 minutes to remember who Tracy is, though.
Haha, she made a huge impression on me, due to how much I wanted to grab her by the shirt and tell her some stuff.
And yeah poor Sam. He really has no choice but to trust that if everything is fake, Dean's out there working to save him. But since he can't just sit by and do nothing, he's always on guard, always questioning whether or not something conforms to his understanding of reality and of the people around him, and it's exhausting. I'm kind of tempted to write more along this line, where they try to hunt and Sam's just so jumpy --
But I probably won't. Lots of other fic to write!
Thank you for reading, and thank you so much for your comment!
Most excellent. If only something like this could actually happen on the Show, I think we all would be very happy fans.
“And another thing. I wasn’t wrong to talk you out of the trials, Sam, and by the way, you didn’t have to decide to stop. Okay, that was all you. So this guilt trip-“ YES!!!! That was one of the things that really bothered me about Sam's speech at the end of this episode. Laying the blame on Dean for Sam stopping the trials was not fair AT ALL. Sam had his freewill at that point, and could have continued, if he felt so compelled to do so. Laying that blame on Dean was not right, and I would love for Dean to call him on it.
Dean calling Sam out for that line wasn't exactly the point of this exercise -- it was more about Dean coming to understand the power he has over Sam's decisions (but maybe I didn't make that part clear enough), Sam getting to tell Dean what the actual result of this whole experience has been. Sam hasn't trusted his own judgment since the end of season four, but Dean doesn't know that. So yeah, a little unfair to lay that on Dean, but understandable, I think, and by far not the worst thing either of them has done. And Sam is trying to make Dean understand his point of view.
But thank you thank you for taking the time to read and comment.
I did understand your point. But that still doesn't lessen my irritation for Sam to lay ALL that blame on Dean. Yes, Dean does have a lot of sway and power over Sam, but yet, at this point Sam still had his own agency, and irregardless of that, my interpretation of that scene is that he was talking about issues where he didn't have his agency, i.e., Gadreel's possession. (Which is a whole other can of worms).
I do agree that there are things that Dean needs to learn about Sam a little bit more, and there are things that Sam needs to realize and learn about Dean. I think deep down they know these things, but getting them to actually realize them and act upon them is another issue altogether.
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Thank you for sharing!
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Whew! Either way, thanks for reading and commenting!
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It did take me 5 minutes to remember who Tracy is, though.
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And yeah poor Sam. He really has no choice but to trust that if everything is fake, Dean's out there working to save him. But since he can't just sit by and do nothing, he's always on guard, always questioning whether or not something conforms to his understanding of reality and of the people around him, and it's exhausting. I'm kind of tempted to write more along this line, where they try to hunt and Sam's just so jumpy --
But I probably won't. Lots of other fic to write!
Thank you for reading, and thank you so much for your comment!
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“And another thing. I wasn’t wrong to talk you out of the trials, Sam, and by the way, you didn’t have to decide to stop. Okay, that was all you. So this guilt trip-“ YES!!!! That was one of the things that really bothered me about Sam's speech at the end of this episode. Laying the blame on Dean for Sam stopping the trials was not fair AT ALL. Sam had his freewill at that point, and could have continued, if he felt so compelled to do so. Laying that blame on Dean was not right, and I would love for Dean to call him on it.
Really enjoyed this. Thanks.
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Dean calling Sam out for that line wasn't exactly the point of this exercise -- it was more about Dean coming to understand the power he has over Sam's decisions (but maybe I didn't make that part clear enough), Sam getting to tell Dean what the actual result of this whole experience has been. Sam hasn't trusted his own judgment since the end of season four, but Dean doesn't know that. So yeah, a little unfair to lay that on Dean, but understandable, I think, and by far not the worst thing either of them has done. And Sam is trying to make Dean understand his point of view.
But thank you thank you for taking the time to read and comment.
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I do agree that there are things that Dean needs to learn about Sam a little bit more, and there are things that Sam needs to realize and learn about Dean. I think deep down they know these things, but getting them to actually realize them and act upon them is another issue altogether.
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