Highlander Rewatched Interview with Ken Gord, Part 2!
26:08 Ken: I can't think of any out-and-out diSASters... Um...
Keith: That means you were doing your job I guess! *laughter*
26:13 Ken: Hahah. Well you know... That's interesting, cuz uh... when people ask me like, "What does a producer do?" I say "Well, if you see me sitting on the set in a director's chair and just like, just watching everybody work, doing fuck-all, I'm the best producer in the world." *laughter*
Kyle: Yeah! It's like one of those things where it's like, if looks easy if you're doing it right?
26:29 Ken: Yeah. I mean you just--The secret is, what is... a producer hires the right people. Because he doesn't know how to do any of those jobs himself, but the other people do, so... if you get good people, you know you're... you're pretty much covered. In a series you know, you're prepping and shooting at the same time, so... Mostly you're prepping, so you know, you can stop by the set at lunch and see how they're doing, and you can drop by maybe at the end of the day. You know, that kind of thing. But, you generally don't have to sit there all day long, because, uh, it's in good hands. If you hired the right people. Queen of Swords had many, many more problems, because, that was pretty crazy like, being in the desert there. Like flash floods, and the lead actress got, you know, food poisoning, once, and there's... It seemed like something happened every single day. *laughter* Uh, I would drive in in the morning and just think, "What's gonna happen today?" It was that kind of a... that kind of a show.
Kyle: Hahah. Yes--that feels like Highlander Season 1! *Ken laughs*
Keith: Now Highlander is kind of back in the news, a little bit, because uh... they're talking about a reboot. Have you... thought about, you know, what this reboot means, or... you know, what's--*Ken inhales*--If-if Ken Gord is producing the reboot, what's--what's the uh, the reboot look like for you?
27:30 Ken: Well you mean the-the feature, or a series?
Keith: Well uh, we've heard that the--they're doing a feature and, in talks to do a series, so...
27:36 Ken: Yeah, I hadn't heard anything about a series, I mean, I--I've heard about the feature for years, I know--I knew someone was--was doing it. I know uh, like Ryan Reynolds was attached and all this kind of stuff, but I--I don't know where that's at now. I don't know. Maybe I'd go uh, uh... you know, a young Duncan MacLeod or something, you know? I don't th--I don't think anybody could play it better than Adrian Paul. I really don't. He--he was perfect. He really was.
Kyle: You mentioned, you know, you had to hire the right people. Did you have a role to play in any of the casting of any of the people we see onscreen? If not the major people, then... you know, our illustrious guest stars 'n whatnot?
28:05 Ken: Oh yeah. I do all the casting, y'know. That's wh--That's creative--I um, I cast every single role except for the uh, you know, the semi-regulars, or the regulars, because that's more of an executive decision. I had--I had my 2 cents, but I would say, probably Bill Panzer had the uh, final say on the regulars and semi-regulars. I never even ran um... cast by those guys, I just did it. Sometimes uh, there would be a choice for a guest star; be like a choice of a few names, and I would call um, you know, Bill and ask what his opinion was, 'n we would talk about it, but uh, apart from that it just... I just ran with it. I got ch--
Kyle: So you single-handedly brought us Roddy Rowdy Piper? Cuz, thank you! *laughter*
28:43 Ken: Yeah. Yeah. He was, he... I brought him. He's great. He, he was such a great guy. What a nice guy.
Keith: I, I was wondering. Uh, what was it like working with Bill Panzer? How was he as a, a, a working producer as well?
28:54 Ken: Bill Panzer is--was a... incredible, you know, human being. He was like, generous, 'n smart 'n, you know, very uh, intelligent, an' bull-headed and uh, got things done. You know, he could be funky, and... *laughter*
Keith: Oh yeah? Tell us about that!
Kyle: Yeah! *laughing* Go on!
29:09 Ken: He could be uh... What's that word when you're a little bit um, not abrasive but uh... You know, you resist things um... stubborn, I guess? 'nd uh, you know, he had strong opinions and uh... You could talk to him but when he made up his mind, you know, he was kind of like, uh... intransigent was the word I was looking for.
Eamon: There you go.
29:26 Ken: And he was, and he was better in the morning, uh, before lunch. *Kyle laughs, then Keith* Uh, that, that wa--that was when to hit him if you wanted, you know, you needed to get something good. After lunch he was more difficult. I only had one sort of disagreement with Bill, actually in the entire five years. We were--we were really good friends. Um, we were sitting in the Lutetia Hotel uh, in Paris, and we were talking about uh, something for the show that was coming up, we were in prep with Paolo Barzman. It was just the three of us, and we were talking about like, how we were gonna figure out this um, a device. A device is just something that you do to, you know, get the story playing 'n get on, get on to the next scene and we were trying to figure it out, and he came up with an idea 'n, we had--Uh, Paul and I, some of the other directors you know, that we have shorthands so... Our shorthand for um, something that was kind of, a little cheesy maybe, or cliché? We called it Starsky and Hutch. *Keith chuckles* So, uh... Bill came up with this idea, I don't remember what it was, and I said, "Uh, I don't know, it's kind of Starsky and Hutch..." And Bill got really, really angry! Really, really offended. And he was like, "I don't think that's--" um, you know... sort of la--y'know, gave me a tongue-lashing and uh, then I got sort of, you know, my back up, and I said well you know, "You don't think I'm, y'know, doing it right, y'know, send me fuckin' home! I don't give a shit." *laughter* And I went, I went back to my room, 'n... *Kyle laughs* They came... they came by... He came by half an hour later and he knocked on the door and he was like, "Wanna go downstairs for a drink and a cigar?" Cuz he is a nice guy! But, you know, again like after... as the day went on, you know, he became a little... little more abrasive. But on the whole he was, he was a great guy.
Kyle: Was it because of how much he loved Starsky and Hutch? Or... *Keith cackles*
30:57 Ken: No, no! Actually, *laughter* he thought I was insulting America. He thought--he thought I was insulting America.
Kyle: REALLY? Interesting!
Ken: Yeah. Yeah.
Kyle: Well... as denizens of Trump's America, we're... *laughter* We're not offended. Hahahah.
Ken: Nobody... Nobody could have dreamed about that back then.
Eamon: Ugh.
Kyle: I, I--I can't even--*laughter* I can't even dream about it NOW! *laughs*
Eamon: I try NOT to dream about it now!
Ken: *laughing* Yeah.
Keith: Actually, I think I may have STOPPED having dreams! *chuckling*
Eamon: Yes.
Kyle: Um...
31:27 Ken: Hahahahum. Just nightmares. Yeah.
Eamon: Yeah. Just nightmares. That's right. *Kyle laughs* Well speaking of arguments... We had an argument recently on our show. Kyle, do you wanna field this question?
Kyle: Yeah. Do I wanna set the stage?
Eamon: Yes.
Kyle: Speaking of, you know, your standing sets and whatnot: Joe's Bar. We recently had a...
Ken: Yeah.
Kyle: ... cartoonishly fierce disagreement *chuckles* about how you enter that space. And if there are multiple entrances or only one!
31:48 Ken: Hahah, that's funny!
Eamon: The episode Courage is what, I think, sparked this, because it looks like Richie comes in from like, the balcony. But we only, ever, other--*Kyle wheezelaughs*--*Ken: Uh-huh.*--This is a crazy question by the way, sorry, but--
Kyle: Yeah, I'm embarra--I'm embarrassed even asking it, BUT...
Eamon: Usually we only see someone come in from the front entrance, but... is there a--an entrance on the balcony?
32:11 Ken: Oh... Do you mean in the interior, or exterior?
Eamon: Interior.
32:14 Ken: Ummm... No.
Kyle: YES!
Eamon and Keith: OOOoooooOOOooooh.
Kyle: You've ma--You have made me happier than something this trivial has any business doing. *Ken laughs with Kyle* This is like, you know, one of those small victories that gets you through a day--
32:26 Ken: Yeah but wha--what--What might have happened is, you have to look--look for a cut. Because what might have happened was, um, the director uh, felt that it needed what--what's called a, you know, an approach. So the actor doesn't all of a sudden appear on the set and say "Hi!" *Kyle laughs* So you know, he may have shot it, uh, in a totally different place, you know, ten miles away. *Keith laughs* Just so he, so he had an approach. Because either he--he didn't do it uh, on the day, or... uh, he didn't have time, or uh... whatever reason. That's-that's--uh, that's called, again, called cheating. *laughter*
Kyle: Awesome.
Eamon: There we have it.
Keith: Yeah. I still think we're gonna argue about this, Kyle. You and I are going to go toe-to-toe every week about this.
Kyle: I, I, I can't wait. *Keith laughs* I'm so excited.
Keith: So Ken! When you are uh... NOT producing, what's a... what's a Ken Gord up to? *Kyle chuckles*
33:13 Ken: Holy shit uh... *Keith laughs* I mean, most of the time you're not producing. Most of the time in this business you're just trying to get a job! You know, um... It's a... it's actually a pretty stressful life, I would not recommend it to anybody...! *laughs*
33:25 Kyle: To-to anybody period?
Eamon: Yeah.
33:24 Ken: It's very stressful when you're not work-- When you're not working, you're not making money and you're sitting around and you're thinking "I'll never work again!" It's like, you know, it's... it's awful. Oh and when you ARE working, you're making money but it's like, you know, brutal, and pressure, and you know, aggravation, all that kind of stuff. Also very stressful, so... It's hard to get a break! But um, uh... I would say I uh... uh, depending on the time of year I could get into uh, sports. Watching hockey, or baseball. I go to the gym, I would read. There's always some work to do because, you always have to, um... do what's called Spec Work. Because if, um, Sometimes... you know, people are trying to set up a movie or a show... *yawns* but they don't have it like, fully together yet, but they need help like, you know, with scheduling or budgeting, or whatever, so... I do a lot of spec work, because that's how you kind of attach yourself to somethin', and... You know, out of uh, ten things that you're speccing, you know, if one comes through, well that's good. Cuz otherwise, if you just said "Hey. Pay me for this," every time, it just... to me that is uh, you know, smart as... doing a little bit of, you know, work, on your own time, and then being attached to something... So... uh, I keep busy. Yeah, I keep busy.
Kyle: Is that how most of your gigs come through? You get attached to it early and then when... if a studio picks it up or something, you know, your name's on top of the pile?
34:41 Ken: Most of my work used to come from the two big companies in Canada--or, the three, Alliance? But both heads of Production of Alliance who used to hire me died. So uh, that wa--you know, that's gone. Then uh, Fireworks went out of business, and then um, there were some other companies, but, you know, things change. And then there's a lot of like, uh, other companies that are starting up. You don't necessarily know them, so I've had periods where I had to reinvent myself. It's not like a smooth sail all the way. And Highlander... It's interesting because... it's well known all around the world, but in L.A. it was invisible! It was on at like, 2 in the morning. You know, nobody'd ever heard of it! Seriously! It was the one city where it just did not play at all!
Eamon: Wow! That's bizarre! *laughs*
35:23 Ken: I meant--I mean, it played, it just, it wasn't, wasn't noticed. The Highlander--The Highlander fandom is so amazing. Like, I can't believe people are dissecting, you know, scenes from Highlander now like--*Eamon laughs*--what is it, 1998, 2008... What is it, twenty years later, almost? *Keith: Right!* That's unbelievable, right? But it, but...
Eamon: I think it's twenty-five years.
Kyle: Yeah.
35:39 Ken: ... Jesus! *laughter* But you know, I say that because, if I'm with a... let's say, I uh, I come across a group of ten people... It's always been like this, since then and to this day, like, you know, as early as last week. Out of ten people. You mention "I did Highlander," and six of them will say: "Oh yeah, I kind of heard about it, or maybe not. Was that the movie, or something?" and they're kind of vague about it. And there'll be like three people that were like, "Oh yeah. I--I've watched that." And there's always one out of ten's like: "HOLY FUCK THAT WAS MY FAVORITE SHOW!" *laughter* Like, always ONE guy! *Eamon: Yeah.* Or girl. You know? That's what's good about the fandom; it was like, small but fierce.
Eamon: Yeah.
Keith: Yeah! I mean, we all--
Kyle: That's what we say about Keith, too!
Eamon: Yeah. Keith is small but fierce.
Keith: Thank you. Small but fierce. That's what I--I'm known by. *Ken laughs* Uh... Yeah. We all grew up watching the show... well, in Philadelphia it aired, like, Saturday afternoons, and we were like, in our early teens, like, twelve to thirteen, when we all started watching it.
36:36 Ken: Yeah, see, you were--you were supposed--you were, you were the target demographic. At twelve or thirteen, on a Saturday afternoon, you were the demographic the show was made for, but you know, I don't know if--you guys probably know that the um... the show kind of turned people's heads upside down, because... it was--it was again, made... um... for adolescents. Male adolescents. The demographics, at the end of the day, turned out to be uh, actually, um, just as many women. And just as many um, eighteen to thirty-five, which is like the key demographic. It was strange, and I think, you know, probably... mostly because it was a thinking show, and... and Adrian. So, uh...
Kyle: Yeah, that helped. There's a lot of him doing shirtless kung-fu, and I think that helps move the ball forward.
Eamon: Yeah, hah!
Keith: Yeah. When--when I started watching it, I think it was my mom that watched it first, and cuz SHE thought Adrian Paul--
Ken: See? There you go!
Eamon: Yeah.
Ken: See?
Keith: My-m-m-m-my mom really thought Adrian Paul was a beefcake. So...
Kyle: Hubba-hubba!
Ken: Yes! Well he is!
Keith: Right?
Eamon: Yeah.
37:29 Ken: I mean, he's an incredibly handsome guy! *Keith laughs* But that's exactly it. It's like, your mom is watching the show and turns you on to the show, right? *Eamon: Yeah.* Which is basically a sword-fighting show with Queen in the background. *Eamon: Yeah.* You know, that is like, you know, a fourteen year old's dream, right?
Keith: Right!
Kyle: Yeah!
37:43 Ken: Your mom was turning you on to it. That's why it kind of surprised people. In France, for example, it was a... It was considered a kids' show. *Eamon: Oh!* It was on in the afternoon, just like, uh, in Philadelphia, and uh, I don't think any adult would have been caught dead watching it. *laughter* Strange.
Keith: That's interesting!
Kyle: *laughing* That's fascinating! *Ken: Yeah!* Especially since the--it is a show about, like, decapitating people!
Eamon: Yeah, yeah.
Kyle: So like, it's got some, like... it's got some stakes!
Eamon: Well you said they were snobby in France when it came to giving you permits and stuff because you were a TV show. Is that, just ALL TV, or just because you were making... what you were making?
38:13 Ken: Well all TV. Because, you know. F... I mean, Paris is like, you know, an amazing city, I'm not going to dis Paris. It's like, probably one of the three, you know, top cities in the world with uh, London and New York, right? It's like.. it's an extraordinarily beautiful...you know, incredible place. And when they DO stuff, they do it SO well. I mean, you walk down ANY street, and you look in the... shittiest little store window and it's like, uh, it's se--it's set out like a... you know, everything is beautiful and, you know, impeccable. And they really know how to present. Like... they're fantastic at uh, at presentation. So in the same vein, they're kind of you know, artistically a little bit um... you know, elitist, and uh... it's uh, it wasn't just OUR show; it's like, all TV was kind of like, you know, substandard, so... You know, they--they cared about feature films; they cared about, you know, movie stars 'nd, you know, art films 'n stuff, so... There was one lady who used to run the permit office there, and you... Again, you had to deliver your application like a couple of weeks before, and we could never do it, so... we would cheat. So... like, for example when you see the show with um, Nia Peeples? You know, she's walking around and Adrian's showing her, like, um, the Concorde and different places in Paris? The way we got around that is we're shooting on a steadicam. Cuz the rule is if you put your camera on the sidewalk, you need a permit, but, steadicam you just hold it! *laughs*
Eamon: Ah!
Kyle: There you go!
39:29 Ken: So... so, you know, we're just walking around with a steadicam and it's like, no permit needed!
Keith: Right! *Eamon laughs*
39:34 Ken: That's why you see so many of the scenes are in chateaus because... they are outside the circle, as opposed to being in the center of the city.
Keith: The... the landscape of TV definitely has changed since Highlander. I mean, like, the production's kind of through the roof, they're... they're almost like movies now. I was gonna ask like...
Ken: Oh! Oh, it's unbelievable!
Keith: Yeah, uh, what're... What're some of your favorite shows to watch, now?
39:52 Ken: Yeah, I mean that's interesting. Because you know, the pilot of Boardwalk Empire, which was like an... amazing show... The pilot, was more than a full cycle--a full season of--twenty-two episodes of Highlander. I mean, just think about that for a second, right?
Keith: Wow.
Kyle: Yeah, it's mind-blowing.
Ken: The PILOT. Of course, you know, Martin Scorsese shot it, so...
Keith: Right!
Kyle: Yeah, that'll make it expensive!
40:09 Ken: Well, which shows I like... There's so many great shows! I love--I loved Boardwalk Empire. I think The Usual Suspects. I uh, I liked um... you know, Breaking Bad, and Better Call Saul, and... so many good shows. Uh... I can't remember one of them, so...
Keith: One thing we ask everybody, uh, that's been on our show is... We always ask if, uh, you would wanna be immortal? And if you WERE immortal, what kind of job would you want? Uh, you know, Duncan's obviously an antiques dealer... people have, obviously, different trades they do, if they could live forever. So, what would you want?
40:38 Ken: I think I'd love to live forever, that'd be great! I want to live forever, yeah! Um...
Kyle: Yeah, a lot of people say no. I'm always confused.
Eamon: Yeah!
40:43 Ken: Don't forget I'm a Baby--I'm a, I'm a Baby--I'm actually you know, I'm a Baby Boomer. We actually believe we're gonna live forever. *laughter* You know, um...
Kyle: As the kids of Baby Boomers, we also believe you're gonna live forever, cuz we have to keep paying the Social Security. But--
Keith: Whoa! *laughter* *Ken laughs long*
41:01 Ken: I think um, if I... if I wasn't in the movie business, I would've loved to have been an archeologist.
Kyle: That's a good one!
Keith: Yeah!
Eamon: Mm!
41:07 Ken: Cuz I like... Yeah. I like travelling around and uh, and digging, in the earth and finding shit. That would just be so much fun, I think.
Eamon: Yeah, hahah!
Kyle: I wanted to be an archeologist when I was growing up, and it was just because I'd had such a warped view of what they did, between like, the triple threat of Stargate, Indiana Jones, and Jurassic Park. *Ken: Yeah!* It's like, I'm g--YEAH! I wanna be an archeologist! Like, archeologists fight Nazis! Right? *Keith: Yeah!* That's what they do? And like, go to space?
Eamon: Yeah!
41:31 Ken: Yeah, and the reality is probably just, you know, as grueling, you know, hard work where... the chances of finding something maybe... or you have to sort of sit there with a, like a toothbrush and... shave off some thing for like, four hours or... right? *laughter* Like, you know, crumb by crumb? That would probably drive me crazy, so... I'm glad I didn't become an archeologist.
Kyle: Yeah, but then you could have a dinosaur named after you! You'd have like a, the Gordosaurus or something! *laughter*
Keith: That's good!
Ken: *laughing* The Gordosaurus!
Kyle: That'd be pretty solid!
Ken: That's funny!
Keith: So finally: Are there any questions that you WISH you'd been asked, uh, in the past? Or just any stories that you've... never got--gotten to share at a convention or whatever? Or especially since you're on a... explicitly rated podcast. That like anything like completely crazy that you feel like sharing with our listeners?
42:08 Ken: I mean, I do have stories, but I--I think that I probably told them all at conventions because... you know, you said to do my homework, I mean... I used to have um, actually you know, a fear of public speaking, beca--It's a very common fear. But then uh, one year um, during Highlander actually, in Vancouver, um I was asked to uh, to say the uh, graduating speech at the Vancouver Film School. And I just said yes, and I didn't think about it. *laughter* Cuz if I thought about it--if I thought about it, I would have said no. And because I--and because I like the idea of, you know, confronting your fears, because I think that's something we as human beings have to do to get over them.
42:20 So... I wrote out a speech, it was like, I don't know, ten or twelve minutes long, and I... I practiced. I practiced a few times 'n, you know made sure I was uh, fairly um, you know, uh lucid in--in the speech and uh, and uh, and the night came, and I went out on the stage, and there was like two hundred people there. And I still haven't really thought, you know, internally about what I'm doing, I'm just sort of doing it externally. You know: writing the speech; practicing; walking onstage; delivering the speech--which I--I--I was told went okay--and I walked off the stage, and I had a little, like, meltdown. My knees started shaking and I was like, "Holy SHIT I can't believe I just spoke on a stage in front of two hundred people!"
43:15 I really got over it! So I'm o--at the Highlander conventions, I was feeling good now! I'm feeling like, you know, I'm totally confident! I--I've just done it, and I can do it! I'm over the fear! So when I have to go um, to conventions and sort of just be by myself and um, tell stories and stuff, I was looking at it as a, as a fun thing, as opposed to, you know, um, uh, you know, uh, a nightmare or something to be afraid of. And--but I, but I really did my homework. So I've, uh, really sat down and I've thought about every show and I've thought about whether it's some interesting stories, so... I pretty much covered them all at the time and I... I can't think of any story I would--would not have told.
43:49 My favorite story of course is the shooting on the Eiffel Tower story. Probably everybody listening has heard that because they're Highlander fans, so... That's really good story.
Kyle: Well we've got a lot of listeners that are, that are younger, that haven't necessarily... been able to attend a lot of those Highlander conventions. So if that's your favorite one, by all means uh, sock it to us! I'm sure a lot of our listeners would love to hear it!
44:07 Ken: Okay! Well you know, the Eiffel Tower is like, the Holy Grail of, you know, worldwide locations, right? So the first year I get to uh Paris--uh, Year Two--and I'm like, to production people: "Okay. Let's start planning to do a sword fight on the Eiffel Tower." *Eamon laughs* There's huge silence and they're all looking at me like I'm FUCKING insane--*Kyle leads the laughter*--and there's... and they're just saying, "Oh. It's impossible." And I said: "Impossible n'est pas français." Which is something Napoleon said to his troops, which is, you know: "Impossible isn't French" right? So I kind of like put their... put their shame on.
44:39 I don't know--I don't know if it was the next year... or two years later, cuz it was basically the same crew every year. I can't remember which year it was, I think maybe... maybe two years later... We got a permit to do not just a SWORDFIGHT on the Eiffel Tower, but a Tango, right? A Tango. Now who's done a TANGO on the Eiffel Tower? *eagerly* Okay, but that's not actually the story! *laughter*
44:57 So the story is--*clears throat* That was just a little boast. So the story is I um... we did the Quickening. We shot the lights going off the Eiffel Tower from the top to the bottom during the Quickening. I wrote in a--at that time it was like faxes--I faxed them a note to um... Panzer? and Abramowitz. And I said, "You're not gonna believe what I just did! I just got them to turn the lights OFF on the Eiffel Tower for our Quickening, going from the top to the bottom!" The lights just went off, again just grad--in a, in a row? Just like phshhh you know, from top to bottom? And of course early the next day they're like, writing back to say, "Oh my God, that's unbelievable! Oh, fuck you're--you're unbelievable! Wow, we can't believe it!" 'n stuff.
45:36 So what I didn't tell them was: that every night at eleven o'clock... the lights go off in the Eiffel Tower--*Eamon's wheeze leads the laughter*--so, I just... I just put a... I put a camera there at one minute to eleven, you know, he turned it--he turned it on and he shot, and he turned the camera off at one minute after eleven! And we had the lights going off in the Eiffel Tower!
Kyle: Did they--did they ever find you out? When did they uh, get wise to the scheme?
45:56 Ken: Uh, I don't exactly remember when, but you know, it didn't last too long, but it was fun. *laughter*
Kyle: That's good shit.
46:02 Ken: There's also the um, the culotte story. D'you know what culottes are?
Eamon: Are they like sh--a short-pant? Or--
46:07 Ken: Well like a skirt, but they're like shorts... at the same time?
Eamon: Yeah.
46:11 Ken: They're really like awful, right? *agreeing laughter* So, we had that scene where uh... we had that scene where Ssss... uh--I can't remember her first name--I don't remember... her last name was Shelley, and uh, she was jumping off uh, one of the bridges in Paris, into the water, (Rachel Shelley played Sophie Baines, Episode: "Avatar") Um... So, I was having a meeting with the costume designer, and I'm saying "Okay, look: You know, put her in a skirt, cuz we want to, uh, see the skirt flutter up. But whatever you do like, NO culottes!" *snickers* And... and she looked at me and she's like, really like, a little bit horrified. And I, I don't under--I don't understand her reaction, but she's like, "Ooookay... Okay."
46:42 And uh... I went, uh, home and uh... My wife at the time, uh, I was sitting, talking to her, and I said, "You know, the strangest thing cuz I, You know, I told this um, costume designer 'no culottes' and she had this like, really weird reaction." And she's like, my wife said, "But don't you know--you don't know what culottes means in French?" And I was like, "No." And she says, "Panties." *laughter*
Eamon: Oh, my God.
Keith: That's amazing!
Kyle: Wow. That's... *laughing*
Eamon: Alright!
Kyle: ... that's really funny!
47:06 Ken: So-so-so, I was able to straighten that out the next day!
Kyle: *laughing* Yeah, I bet! Yeah--Who IS this guy?! This--this perv?
Ken: Yeah, really! Yeah, that was kind of, yeah that was nasty!
Eamon: *funny voice* Doesn't he know he's working on a TV show? *Keith laughs*
Kyle: We're in France, but EUGH!
47:23 Ken: I was gonna say: The French costume designers, they... you know, costume designers are supposed to dress people according to their character, and um... The first year we had um, Stacey... She was playing an FBI agent. She was uh, over a few episodes. I don't remember if Stacey was her first name or last name, but... really nice girl, really good actress, uh... blonde girl?
Keith: Agent Delaney, I think.
47:42 Ken: That's right! Exactly. She comes to me on set and she's like, "Ken, I really... This is... I don't know how to handle this, but this is really awful. Um... like look what--look what they want me to wear for, um, for my coat." And she shows me her coat, and it's like, one of these like, print-shawls, that like wraps around about four times that you'd... wear like, you know, walking down the Champs-Élysées. *snickers* And she's like, "You know, I'm supposed to be like, an FBI agent, you know, and I gotta pull out a gun and all this stuff and it's like, I can't even move my arm!" *laughter* So, you have to sort of watch everything because sh--the costume designer's thinking: "Oh, she looks so nice in that!" you know? And she's not thinking: "Um, yeah. FBI, y'know? American, y'know? Gun."
48:20 And she once had an... We had a homeless person, uh... The show with the vampire. We're in that underground garage? And uh, Jeremy Brudenell is like walking around and uh, stalking um... Adrian, I think?
And uh, Dennis Berry and I originally uh, wanted to have like a homeless woman just like there, just like, you know, to react 'n stuff 'n, this homeless person showed up on set, and she was wearing like, you know, Devonchi or something, and it's like, "Uh, no." *laughter*
48:45 Ken: "Let's just... let's just send her home." *laughter* *Keith: Right!* Stuff like that you gotta watch.
Keith: Yeah. Those French are stylish. *Eamon laughs*
Keith: So, Ken--
Ken: Yeah, they are!
Keith: Ken Gord, thank you so much for joining us! *Ken: Alright.* This has been a real treat to talk to you and hear your stories--And I know we're all gonna be on the lookout for the uh... Across the River and Into the Trees film. Uh, is there any sort of tentative release for that?
Ken: Uh, probably, uh... 2018. But I don't where or when.
Keith: Awesome.
Ken: Cuz there's no guarantee... no guarantee now movies get theatricals, right? So--
Keith: Yeah, that's true!
Ken: --so it could end up on Netflix or, you don't... yeah, you don't know.
Keith: Well we'll be uh--keeping our ears to the ground for that. And we'll be sharing the trailer, I'm sure, when it drops. *Ken: Cool!* Uh, so, again, Ken, thank you so much for joining us!
49:24 Ken: Thanks a lot, I had a really good time! I really enjoyed this because it's... it was a great show and it's great memories for me, so I appreciate you having me on.
Eamon: Thank you, Ken!
Keith: No problem, Ken! And you--
Kyle: Yeah! It was our pleasure!
Eamon: Yeah.
Keith: --enjoy the rest of the time on your shoot, and enjoy Venice! So--
Eamon: Yeah! Have fun!
Ken: Thank you Eamon and Kyle and Keith! Okay!
Kyle: Are there a lot of merchants there? *chuckles*
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This is Kyle!
This is Eamon!
Eamon: Byeeeee!
Kyle: See you!
Ken: Bye!
50:02 Keith: So we are joined today by the Gordita himself--*Kyle chuckles*--Ken Gord!
Kyle: The Spicy Gordita-Crunch?
Keith: Everyone do "We're joined by a-" pun!
Eamon: Today we're joined by a... Ken Gordie-laForge to uh... help us out here on the Starship Enterpriiiise... No, that's wrong.
Kyle: He's a decorative Gord!
Keith: Nope!
Kyle: Flash Gord? Hahahah.
Keith: Flash Gord?
Eamon: Flash Gord! Ken Flashgord...en!
Kyle: Ken Flashgord...o! Uh...
Eamon: I'm going to Gord the river! Fjord? Is that a thing?
Kyle: Fjord?
Keith: Yup!
Kyle: Yeah, so you Gord the river? I like it!
Eamon: Yeah! Gord the river!
Kyle: See, but you never want to fjord the river in Oregon Trail. You always wanna caulk that boat.
Eamon: I really liked, uh, the TV show produced by Dick Wolf, Law and Gorder? That was really good. *wheezelaugh* Law and Gorder Special Victims Unit was really good too, though.
Kyle: Goes to some dark places, though.
Eamon: Yeah.
Keith: What's a Gorder? A goiter? Wait, what's a goiter?
Kyle: It's like a growth in your throat.
Eamon: A goiter's like a big... yeah.
Keith: There we go! Ugh!
Kyle: *chuckling* A Gorder?
Eamon: *Ice-T voice* "We got a body in the alleyway with a Gorder!"
Kyle: *laughs* Was that an Ice-T impression?
Eamon: *Ice-T* That was my Ice-T.
Keith: That's not bad!
Eamon: *Ice-T* It's okay. Me and Coco, we're gonna... return to my chalet. Have some TLC.
Keith: *amused* Very good.
Kyle: Ice does love Coco.
Eamon: He does!
Kyle: And Gordo! *laughs*
Eamon: Ice loves Gordo! *laughter* Uhhhhh...
Kyle: This is absurd!