God and stuff

May 09, 2004 02:35

I was just sitting around in my room thinking, and I thought about some things that I'd like to put on paper. But since papers ultimatley decompose or get lost, I thought I'd write it on livejournal. My ideas are probably incoherent, so whatever. This is something that if I felt like figuring out how to eljay cut, I'd use it ( Read more... )

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Re: Cool entry. almost_brave_ May 9 2004, 10:31:28 UTC
Yeah, I'm aware of the existence is perfection thing, and that god is existence, but when I was thinking about it I couldn't figure out how that could really be true. Cuz once things start to exist, they get fucked, and they become prone to all sorts of imperfections and stuff.
Becuase what it is existence. Existence is being and being is living. And life has all sorts of boundaries. Not only that, but life always has to come to an end. The idea of god would be that he'd have no boundaires, would live forever, etc. I just couldn't see how the ideas of existence and god could be compatible.

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Re: Cool entry. danielioneye May 9 2004, 10:42:26 UTC
What you said opposes Anselm's Ontological argument. I knew that there had to be a flaw in that fucker, there's no way it could be so black and white true the way Carney presented it. If existance is perfection and to exist must be perfect, then how come there's so much poverty in the world? How come people murder others without feeling a bit of guilt? How come people do x,y,z crimes?

As far as the drugs go, I think that if you do any drug just once and not become addicted, just to experience, as Mike put, other realities, then things would be cool. But you'd need to take precautions, like being in a safe enviornment (i.e. someone-you-trust's basement). It may be hard to just do a hard drug once and not become addicted, but if it's possible... then what the fuck?

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Re: Cool entry. goopunnin May 9 2004, 12:23:30 UTC
My whole drug thing was a total joke for the most part. At first it interested me but then I just kept on going with it and made into a joke. The whole aliens planting links to other universes, blah blah wasn't serious.

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nilla_bean May 9 2004, 17:53:15 UTC
perfections and imperfections are perceptual.

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almost_brave_ May 9 2004, 19:53:34 UTC
you'd think that would matter, but when it comes down to it it really doensn't

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To die will be the greatest adventure danielioneye May 9 2004, 19:28:53 UTC
You're twisting words.

I've come to my conclusion about drugs from:

1) People's experiences
2) Trainspotting

Renton says something in the beginning like: "people have forgotten the pleasure of it"

Yeah, pumping your body full of detrimental chemicals is probably the most idiotic thing ever, but just the pleasure of it all is euphoric. If a detrimental chemical can make you feel perfect for however long... all the more power to ya.

In a sense, perfection is death. After all, we're all going to die -- there's no doubt about that. But there's no racial bigotry in death. There are no wars in death. There's nothing. Everyone is the same.

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Re: To die will be the greatest adventure almost_brave_ May 10 2004, 15:08:53 UTC
no problemo mango

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medicalfools May 9 2004, 22:05:26 UTC
But yeah, isn't God supposed to be beyond this imperfect universe anyway? Not that I'm entirely disagreeing with you, but being beyond this universe and beyond the limits of our human notions of perfection, you'd think that a perfect god would be able to find their way around the "impossibility" of participating as something perfect in an imperfect universe. Or the impossibility of existing without being an actual "being," for that matter.

The entire truth of perfection, I think, is way beyond anyone's grasp. I don't think that anybody has gotten it right yet, nor will they ever. There's just no one answer to anything. People need to find that balance between perfection and imperfection and just enjoy it for what it's worth. At least that's within our grasp.

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