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Mar 11, 2009 16:22

Whenever I'm discussing religion with anyone, I notice there's a vast difference between their reaction when I say "I don't have a religion" and when I say "I'm an atheist". They mean the same thing! And then afterward it always gets construed, like someone says "even if you believe in atheism..." ugh, it's not that at all. It's a lack of belief. ( Read more... )

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mereprototype March 11 2009, 23:46:24 UTC
I don't have a religion, and yet I believe in something, so I'm decidedly not an atheist. I'm a deist, if you have to consider it anything. Just pointing out that they're not synonymous :P

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almost_eatable March 12 2009, 00:39:03 UTC
Oh, I see your point. Thanks! xD I never thought of it that way.

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mereprototype March 12 2009, 00:40:46 UTC
You're welcome~

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mugieloo March 11 2009, 23:51:10 UTC
I understand where you're coming from entirely. I wouldn't say I'm an antheist, when I do have to classify myself, I usually just say I'm Agnostic. This is because agnostics generally believe that there's no proof that there is a god, but there's no proof that there isn't. I mean, I don't go looking for proof either way, its just a position of neutrality one can take so they're not hung up on the whole "what happens when I'm dead" thing so you waste your life living. I don't know, the truth of the matter is, I'll find out what happens when you die when I die. That's just how that'll go. The only time I bother having discussions about religion anymore is when I want to make my neice feel stupid. I've learned its not worth asking people about, its better to just read up on it on my own ( ... )

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i am being controversial today almost_eatable March 12 2009, 00:50:43 UTC
I'm kind of stoopid in the way that I love discussing religion, but if someone steps on my toes I get inwardly pissed off. So I'm kinda fucking myself over in the process, since AZ is a mostly Republican state. For instance, I walked in on an avidly pro-life discussion a few days ago, and just had to bite my tongue so hard it wasn't even funny. They were saying things like, "a girl gave birth then tried to kill the baby, and the law is going after her for attempted murder. but if she had an abortion, then it's no problem?" I just disagreed so hard awiehakgsfsf.

I've things like that about Hitler before, but his counter-argument was so out of the blue that I luled.

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uwaaaah March 12 2009, 00:19:39 UTC
I realize I am probably an ass as I do this, especially since I have no proof of what I'm actually going to say, but the way I see this is:

Judaism is a religion and nothing more. It is just like Christianity, which originated in Rome. You wouldn't call all Romans Christian, so you can't claim Judaism as a race. Judaism is a religion. The race that corresponds is modern-day Israel. I have a serious nitpick when people get the language confused with the country confused with the religion. Israelish is not a language. Hebra is not a country. Raaaaaage.

...but uh. 8D; I've never really gotten any shit for being an agnostic/a bad Jew (oh god I'm the worst Jew aliiiiiiiive). And I've never even really met serious Bible thumpers. I guess I was relatively lucky, even though I commute to a city daily which is currently having a huge ATHEISM VS. RELIGION debate going on via huge-ass advertisements. XD

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almost_eatable March 12 2009, 00:44:43 UTC
FUCKING LJ DELETED MY COMMENT.

Anyway, I know, right? It doesn't make too much sense to me, but I remember learning it in history like two years ago. Wasn't it the Nazis that classified Judaism as a race? My friend argued that she didn't follow Nazi principles and therefore Judaism isn't a race, but I thought it was the generally accepted thing, because of similar genes and such. I don't know very much :[ And you're not an ass to disagree! I'm honestly interested.

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uwaaaah March 12 2009, 07:53:54 UTC
Oh, this is a fact you learn? XD Seemed like common sense to me. Don't ask me anything about WWII or anything too specific on the Holocaust, I am woefully uneducated in these matters.

At this point, I think that "similar genes among all Jews" is kind of debunked, because Judaism is the oldest religion, as far as I understand (certainly older than Christianity, but I don't know about Islam or Buddhism or what have you). Judaism has been around for so long that many Jews who spread out around the world and married the natives there are just really convoluted down the lines. I.E., my family originated in Israel, then it kind of...somehow moved away and started breeding with random people. (Despite this, though, we managed to stay good, religious Jews until Stalin started kicking them out. XD)

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abby_sarajane March 12 2009, 02:46:28 UTC
I can guarantee I'm a worse Jew than you.

I eat pork. ...yeaaaaaah. But bacon is so delicious

I try not to get into debates on religion adn things myself. I don't know enough about my own religion (small-town girl, no Temple, nearest temple's Rabbi was an asshole), and since I'm in Kansas, I just smile and nod and try to ignore people.

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