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[alyxzandrauk]

Most people by now know I am pregnant. Seven years ago when I was still with my ex (wanker), I was told I could not have children without IVF. The reason given is that my tubes were scarred and completely blocked. The doctors also found that my ovaries were fused to my uterus. So, I was put on the waiting list for IVF and when my turn came, I said

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[alyxzandrauk]

The 26th of July. It is a baby boy. :D

[alyxzandrauk]

Heya! I knew you would reply to this!

You already know I had one a few years ago when my pill failed, and I am sure you know my reasons.

Yes, I know that and I also know it was not easy for you. And I think this topic is close to both our hearts.

I worked for just under a year at an abortion clinic, and as you can imagine, as this was post abortion for me, I asked the doctors all sorts of questions, and there really is no evidence to suggest any foetal pain or conciousness before the 19th week. The period after that is a grey area, although most doctors are of the opinion that it still isn't developed in terms of the nervous system.I beg to differ. Here is a quote that 8 week old fetus's do feel pain

[alyxzandrauk]

The four replies is to keep our brains active! See? There is method to LJ's madness! :D

8 weeks! Absolutely not, no way. Remember I have seen what foetuses look like at all gestations with my own eyes, and at 8 weeks it is hardly distinguishable, it is like a small piece of pink fluff, the fluff being what they call vili. Absolutely no way is that formed anywhere near enough to have a fully or partially functioning nervous system/brain.

You may have seen the gestations, but Sir Lilley, a fetologist, did scientific experimentation. You said in your original post: 'A lot of people fail to look at these things from a medical perspective' and now I have presented something from a medical perspective and yet, you are then saying it is untrue.

On a side point. I do not think all pro-lifers are pushing their agenda for just religion. There are feminist, gay, pagan, etc pro-lifers who feel the way they do because of their own personal conviction. At a very young age I had made up my own mind it was wrong.

all fetal movement is

[alyxzandrauk]

Heya! I will have to wait until the weekend to answer this...work is driving me completely mad! Stress upon stress upon stress....but, that will be a new rant/blog! :D

[alyxzandrauk]

AGH!!!! I replied to this via my email and it did not come through!!! I was asking if you wanted to meet up this weekend, if you had the time. DAMN YAHOO!!!!! Will give you a call today.

[alyxzandrauk]

Regarding their safeness now, if you add up the number of safe procedures compared with the number of complications you will find it is still very low. That title you said was "Postabortal pelvic infection associated with Chlamydia trachomatis and the influence of humoral immunity" says it all. Usually complications occur with secondary factors, ie, the woman had chlamydia, had clotting issues, or was concious during the proceedure and moved too much, which can be dangerous because of the risk of perforation. This very VERY rarely happened, and the clinic saw 80 + cases a day. That is a lot compared to any complications. It is far safer now than it was then. There are still countries where it is illegal, and women have to take measures into their own hands - or in the hands of someone totally inexperienced. Methods of analgesia are either unavailable, or not even an option. There, the woman suffers too, and risks complications big time. I'm not dismissing your case as evidence at all, but am comparing it with the very large number of

[alyxzandrauk]

Abortion is about a much bigger issue, and babies suffer if they are unwanted anyway, or someone can't afford, look after, is abused etc. It is all very well to say adoption, but loads of unwanted kids end up abused in homes and get dysfucntional. Dave was adopted in the end (not that he is dysfunctional, lol). Add up the number of abortions a year, that is SO MANY people, most unwanted. Can you imagine the burden on society? My life would have been ruined if I had had to have a baby, and I thank the fact that I had an option, a choice, every day. Remember accidents happen. I was on the pill for 10 years, had no idea it failed. It frightened me so much I am now sterilised. It is not fair to force someone to give birth because of an accident, people's lives are not black and white and people will always need abortions.There are children who suffer from abuse even when they are wanted. My mom was offered an abortion, which she refused, yet was still abusive towards me. And what of the children who were originally unwanted and then as

[alyxzandrauk]

LJ saying I exceeded the amount of characters....AGAIN!

Lastly, on the point of foetal pain, I missed the most important point. Anyone over the gestation of 14 weeks has to have the procedure under GA. This is also for safety reasons because it is more painful the higher the gestation and anyone moving during the op increases the risk of damage. Hoever, studies on post aborted foetuses have shown that the GA travels through the umbilical cord, therefore even if there was a chance in that 'grey area' that the foetus could feel anything, it would feel nothing whist under general anaesthetic. Nothing at all.

Interestingly enough there was a study published a few years ago claiming that foetuses cannot feel pain up until 29 weeks!: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4180592.stm

Again a grey area, but the science bit makes sense. Either way, if they are asleep under GA then it doesn't matter.I find this study to be interesting in that it says: it is a "