"Journey's End" (Hang on, for whom?)

[ameretrifle]

It's rather difficult working through an episode when you haven't even seen it yet, but given the reactions I've been seeing, I haven't really had a choice. (Which would imply I shouldn't be reading ahead, but I repeat, "spoilers"? There's something to be "spoiled"? Not for me, not in this fandom, there's not...) I've been doing my best not to

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[nina_ds]

"Journey's End". No, it isn't. The mere fact they titled it that says strange and terrible things about their thinking. Just because Donna's not travelling with him doesn't mean there's nothing left for her. On the contrary. This is her journey's beginning.

Absolutely, yes. Thank you. Although in the aftermath, it was devastating.

I agree with all of this, basically. I'm done with "live" DW for the time being. I may or may not drop back in when Moffat takes over, and depending upon who gets cast for Eleven, I may be back at that point, but there's no one left in play that I care about, except Sarah Jane, which is sad.

As I said on honorh's LJ, I would never use the word "rape" lightly. But then again, most people use the word rape without some of the connotations it actually has, which are more appropriate to the situation, as you pointed out in the post. I do think the way the thing was shot/blocked/performed is one of the reasons that the term keeps popping up. I found it quite disturbing to watch

[ameretrifle]

when Moffat takes over-- eh, maybe when he's sacked. At this point, I'd be hypervigilant for misogyny, and he's allegedly the type who might provide it. Also, I hated Jekyll. It was a narrative train wreck. Now, if they murder Ten horribly, that might bring me back. If they can show that scene to the kiddies, they can give me a little blood.

Re, "rape"-- I honestly don't get the controversy. I've spent the last two years having it drilled in my head that rape's hardly ever a stranger in the bushes. Coerscion and consent. It's a point that's been made since before I was born. He goes into her head against her will and takes out her memories (and I still want to know what line of crap they used to say he had to take out all her memories of him, ever). It looked like rape. Felt like rape, how it was shot. I'd imagine there might have been a reason for that. No reason to dismiss how it felt just because there were "logical reasons". Usually, if you feel it that strongly, the "reasons" are rationalizations if you look close enough. She

[nina_ds]

Let's pretend it wasn't "rape". It was. It was worse.

If you look at it as taking away everything she had become, then it is conceptually worse than violating her body. At least, to me; but then, I've always been pretty clear that rape isn't about sex, it's about power. Sex is just the tool. I think some people are getting that backward. I saw a discussion today where someone else pointed out that the term rape, legally, still means "theft by force" - sexual assault is merely a subset (okay, there's some worrying property issues there, but still...). And the retort was "You still shouldn't use that term because most people think it means sex." Well, yes. But anyone who thinks that rape is about sex isn't getting it right either.

My head hurts. /whimper

On the one hand, I think we should be very careful about throwing certain words around. And yet, I can't get past the fact that I found that scene very uncomfortable to watch. I saw Donna as a victim, no matter of what

[ameretrifle]

I just always come around to how important memories are, how close to the core of us, how private, how necessary. Maybe it's because my memory's always been so strange-- I have to work at remembering faces and events and pretty much anything that takes place outside the confines of my head, but give me a book or put me in a lecture and it just seems to happen. And it's a strange experience. Watch other people struggle to remember things you just know, and you get paranoid about your memory, because you get a sense of what it does for you. I hated 'Flowers for Algernon'. Memory's not everything, but it's important. So to alter it, against protest, is not an action I can be sanguine about. That's my reasoning, anyway; I agree that "rape" isn't a word you should just be throwing around, but I really have seen no reason to believe it's an unfair description of the act

[cheriola]

Hello, are you still active on LJ