If you don't want me to comment in your journal, take me off of your friends list or block me. There's no reason to attempt to publicly embarrass me because of the way that I think.
Mark, this was in no way an attempt to publicly embarrass you. I attempted to become no more personal then you were on my LiveJournal. I still value you as a friend, and as such, I saw it appropriate to let you know the way I felt and offer a place to debate the issue. I encourage you to share the way that you feel. Please don't see this as an attack, because it was not meant as such. On my LiveJournal you opened up a debate, and I am continuing it here. Debates are useful because they offer a cool-headed way to show how you feel. I beg you not to see this as a personal attack on you. Debates can seem personal because it's easy to loose sight of the fact that an issue, not someone's character, is being discussed. If we all calmly share our opinions on a subject then we gain better understandings of each other. I want to better understand your viewpoint as much as I'd like you to better understand mine. In this spirit, please take this entry for what it is, a continuation of a debate which you started. Maybe, in discussions like these
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I didn't mean to start a debate. I just posted my thoughts and apparently got a few people pissed off in the process.
Thank you for not exploding; I find it's difficult for some people to keep their shirt on when talking about such topics. (I am not suggesting any particular people...)
Oh, well, then I apologize. I honestly thought that you were opening a debate. I'm sorry.
Thank you too for keeping a level head. I apologize if the purpose of this entry was, at first, unclear. Again, I meant no personal harm. I truly do respect you as a person, and more importantly, as a friend. Thank you for taking the time to read what I have to say. If you do wish to further discuss the issue, please feel free, either here or in person.
P.S. I hope the Gilroy Pops concert went well today (Megan mentioned it.)
I read through the original post as well as this one. I thought about it. I haven't seen any of the movies mentioned or read any of the books, but now I think I will. But more importantly, bravo to you Devin. It's times like this I realize how much respect I have for you...as a person, as a friend, and as an incredibly intelligent and responsible member of society. Bravo. =) Take care, Natalie
Than you so much. You're great too, and so is anyone open to honest discussion. Bravo you too. You'll have to take that Davis-Berkeley bus sometime and hang out next year. Thanks for considering seeing/reading the sources mentioned in the discussion.
I love when people take the time to write an argument like this, with support and everything. Good work. I definitely agree with the majority of points here, and I hope to catch the movie soon. That said, I'm going to play devil's advocate, cause it seems like we've got plenty of people on your side already. :)
Just to be nitpicky, the author's name is spelled "Crichton." Also, as much as I love Wikipedia, it shouldn't be used as a source because there's no confirmation that the information is right. It's basically like attributing information to something you heard from a friend. A lot of Wikipedia articles have citations, so if you can trace it back one step to it's initial source, that gives a little more credibility.
Regarding the purpose of LiveJournal: I'd argue that your entry came across as a kind of "blog," which allows for (in fact, encourages) frank discussion of the topic. As you said, a journal is a personal account. However, the post we're referring to: 1) was posted online, a very public place 2) was not
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Ya the Congo thing was primarily for humor, and not really meant to back up the point. But I was mainly using it to show how simply throwing a name and reference into an argument, doesnt really count as making a point.
But ya, clearly this little debate is done. Its funny this whole thing reminded me of a Myspace Political Discussion Board,Except few people there actually bother to state their facts in an opposing, yet clear and respectful tone. Well it depends on the subject at hand. Some things people have to argue about, don't really have a mature argument, one way or the other.
Well I suppose all that needs to be said, has been said. Now, who's up for some terrorist hunting on the California/Mexican boarder.
I read all of this and the previous post... Didn't feel the urge to jump in.. But I have a few points...
I downloaded the film a few days ago (piracy pwns)
I don't know how I feel about global warming, but the film DID send a powerful message. Just like all other propaganda. Hate to say it Devin, but it is.
Although, I'm a firm believer that not ALL propaganda is meant to manipulate the public. I think there can be some truth found littered throughout the frames.
Devin, you should check out Loose Change, the 2nd edition. It's free if you search it on google video. I'm interested on your take on the subject.
I think this raises the question though of what exactly merits "propoghanda". I mean I actually don't know the Text Book definition, so I'm not actually in any position to state an absolute meaning of the word. But in my personal perception, of what I would consider Propoghanda, is a message that is conveyed through the use of overly dramatic material and even flat out deception, to practically FORCE the viewer to side one way. Now I guess in a sense you could consider the film to be propogandic (is that even a word?) in the sense that it is designed to make you feel one way about global warming. but I Think within reason, it is a very valid frame of mind that is being promoted in that film. Its one of awareness, realization and essentially hope for the future. I don't see the facts that were presented in the film, as being used to scare the audience, into becoming hardcore enviormental activists, it was merely used to inform and bring attention to something, that maybe isnt being taken as seriously as it should be. The movie didnt
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If you don't want me to comment in your journal, take me off of your friends list or block me. There's no reason to attempt to publicly embarrass me because of the way that I think.
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Thank you for not exploding; I find it's difficult for some people to keep their shirt on when talking about such topics. (I am not suggesting any particular people...)
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Thank you too for keeping a level head. I apologize if the purpose of this entry was, at first, unclear. Again, I meant no personal harm. I truly do respect you as a person, and more importantly, as a friend. Thank you for taking the time to read what I have to say. If you do wish to further discuss the issue, please feel free, either here or in person.
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I hope the Gilroy Pops concert went well today (Megan mentioned it.)
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Take care,
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Just to be nitpicky, the author's name is spelled "Crichton." Also, as much as I love Wikipedia, it shouldn't be used as a source because there's no confirmation that the information is right. It's basically like attributing information to something you heard from a friend. A lot of Wikipedia articles have citations, so if you can trace it back one step to it's initial source, that gives a little more credibility.
Regarding the purpose of LiveJournal: I'd argue that your entry came across as a kind of "blog," which allows for (in fact, encourages) frank discussion of the topic. As you said, a journal is a personal account. However, the post we're referring to: 1) was posted online, a very public place 2) was not ( ... )
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But ya, clearly this little debate is done. Its funny this whole thing reminded me of a Myspace Political Discussion Board,Except few people there actually bother to state their facts in an opposing, yet clear and respectful tone. Well it depends on the subject at hand. Some things people have to argue about, don't really have a mature argument, one way or the other.
Well I suppose all that needs to be said, has been said. Now, who's up for some terrorist hunting on the California/Mexican boarder.
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I downloaded the film a few days ago (piracy pwns)
I don't know how I feel about global warming, but the film DID send a powerful message. Just like all other propaganda. Hate to say it Devin, but it is.
Although, I'm a firm believer that not ALL propaganda is meant to manipulate the public. I think there can be some truth found littered throughout the frames.
Devin, you should check out Loose Change, the 2nd edition. It's free if you search it on google video. I'm interested on your take on the subject.
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