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Science has gone down the crapper.
anonymous
September 5 2004, 23:59:03 UTC
Yeah, that randomness shit makes no sense to me. Like, it's been established that you can't observe a particle without changing its velocity, but the fact that the ordering can't be observed doesn't mean it's not there. These ideas seem completely arbitrary to me. They seem to be driven by a philosophical outlook, which determines what kind of slant scientists put on their work. Like the big bang theory. It's complete bullshit. Some people look around and realize everything's moving apart, so then they decided that the whole universe used to be an infinitely dense particle? And it exploded for no reason? We can't really say, though, until we know the boundaries of the universe, or if there are any boundaries. Otherwise, all of the bodies that are moving apart could just be moving within a small local portion of the universe, in which there was an explosion of some huge star-like body. Or maybe the universe is infinite and things are simply spreading out into the universe. With all these possibilities, the introduction of
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Science has gone down the crapper. (cont)
anonymous
September 6 2004, 00:05:36 UTC
We may not know much, but one thing's fo' sho': There's things in the cosmos that we cannot know.
okay, *we* cannot know the position of a particle, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a position, does it? Jesus, what idiocy! "We can't figure it out, so it's not there."
Re: Science has gone down the crapper. (cont)proteinjelloSeptember 6 2004, 13:14:34 UTC
kelly, if the first post was kelly's, ive explained this to you before: the big bang theory is the dominant theory of the universe's creation for a very good reason: the percentages of certain atoms in the unvierse that were predicted by the big bang theory have been shown to be true. also: the rate at which galaxies are moving seem to point to some explosion in the universe's past. its not some half assed hypothesis that scientists came up with because they coudnt think of anything better.
Re: Science has gone down the crapper. (cont)
anonymous
September 6 2004, 13:53:07 UTC
Well I have heard, though can't at all verify, that Newtonian physics, when applied to the universe, create the impression of "winding down." This is called entropy. It is from this impression that the big bang theory was developed/hypothesized. Newton himself acknowledged the likelihood of such an impression, but warned that his physical axioms were a closed system, sufficiently applicable to themselves, but not meant to be applied universally. Scientists have observed the universe's rate of expansion as slowing, right? There are (I've read) things which don't march to the entropic drum, and they're referred to as negentropic. These things, if I understand correctly, have not been adequately explained. Anyone else hear anything at all about this? Newton scholars?
Ali, are you saying that scientists have hypothesized particle trajectory and found particles where they were hypothesized?
I apologize for this completely unqualified post, I know nothing about science.
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There's things in the cosmos that we cannot know.
okay, *we* cannot know the position of a particle, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a position, does it? Jesus, what idiocy! "We can't figure it out, so it's not there."
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the big bang theory is the dominant theory of the universe's creation for a very good reason: the percentages of certain atoms in the unvierse that were predicted by the big bang theory have been shown to be true. also: the rate at which galaxies are moving seem to point to some explosion in the universe's past. its not some half assed hypothesis that scientists came up with because they coudnt think of anything better.
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Ali, are you saying that scientists have hypothesized particle trajectory and found particles where they were hypothesized?
I apologize for this completely unqualified post, I know nothing about science.
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