"When you wake up, you'll have a mom and dad. And you won't even remember me."

[anna_sg1]

Went and changed the layout - anna_sg1. Twice in one year, very unlike me but the last one was just too bright ugh.

I've seen some comments on tumblr and I have questions for my Doctor Who loving (or just Doctor Who watching XD) friends - did the events in the whole of season 5 even happen after that Big Bang or whatever that was? I now that Amy, Rory,

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[giallarhorn]

Well, I think if we're assuming that everything we heard from TWoRS is true and from the minieps, then S5 did happen, but it also didn't happen in the sense it did happen, but only for Amy/Rory/River/Eleven. For everyone else, it never happened (that, or everyone remembers two lives and no one's been addressing this issue at all).

But in this timeline, the one we seem to be currently occupying, fish fingers never happened, except in her memories. But the actual physical event itself never happened in this timeline.

So there is no little Amelia, not really at least. Or at least no in this universe and timeline, since it never really happened except in their heads.

So basically reality, there isn't a little Amelia waiting, and the last scene couldn't have happened unless it was meant to just be a throwback to S5?

Which doesn't really make sense since they dropped so many things from S5 and S5 never happened?

[anna_sg1]

All you said was basically my train of thoughts. :D

Let's Kill Hitler makes even less sense, because supposedly Mels grew up with Amy talking about her imaginary friend the Doctor - when in fact, the Amy Mels grew up with only remembered the Doctor at her wedding reception. Discovering new layers of why LKH is awful, yey. XD

[giallarhorn]

Oh, I hadn't thought about that. Well...actually thinking about it, Mels couldn't have actually existed, because for her to exist, the TARDIS needed to have exploded->Amy being pregnant, which means that River actually couldn't have existed at all in the universe prior to S5, since S6 defines that she exists largely because Amy got pregnant.

So basically, every instance in which River actually appeared prior to S6 becomes invalid? CONGRATULATIONS LKH, YOU'VE COMPLETELY DISPROVED RIVER'S BEFORE S6 EXISTENCE

[anna_sg1]

lol River Song's storyline is the actual worst

[angelfireeast]

It's completely messed up. It doesn't make sense because I don't think it was well thought out - it was just another fleshy weird thing. In the end I wrote it off as even thought Amilia has parents she still wanted to run away and met the Doctor when he crushed in her yard. So it happened with her parents there because having parents or being raised by her Aunty didn't change Amy at all. She's the same person no matter what happens to her. Which why people complaint about Amy's writing. So Amy still met the Doctor only this time it was her parents instead of her aunt who didn't believe her and sent her to doctors to rid of her fantasy.

[anna_sg1]

Yeah but that didn't happen. Amy forgot about the Doctor. She (and Rory after her) remembered him only at her wedding ceremony at then the Tardis appeared.

IMO it was botched up writing, they completely forgot what happend or deliberately chose to ignore it.

[angelfireeast]

Yeah, but why did Amy's family and friends till remember that Amy was obsessed with her raggdy man as child? Did their memories get trigger too by everything?

I think it's deliberately choosing to ignore it.

[moonlightstorm]

Man, s5 still makes no sense to me, but I think you're right, little Amelia shouldn't be waiting. I never understood how Amy ~magically remembered~ the Doctor, anyway. Did they explain that? Or why River's diary existed? Or why if River's diary existed and it seemed like River remembered, then shouldn't River remembering be enough to get the Doctor back? IDEK.

And I also didn't really get if Amy was being literal -- did she want the Doctor to go back and actually tell her all of the stuff she would one day do? Wouldn't that be bad for timeywimey reasons? I don't get this show anymore, lol.

[anna_sg1]

LOL season 5 was a masterpiece compared to what came after. XD

I think it was sort of offhandedly explained or implied that because Amy grew up with that crack in her bedroom her brain is somehow different (or something along those lines) IDK, but at least with her they sorta tried. It's been sort of a theme with Amy - she remembers people and they come back - like Rory the Roman.

Why Rory and River remember... your guess is as good as mine. Why and HOW River even got to the wedding is yet another unanswered puzzle.

[moonlightstorm]

Okay the more I think about it the more the Doctor going back doesn't make sense, even if little!Amelia DOES exist (which she doesn't). Because then that would change everything, by having her not waiting for him in the morning because he DID show up to talk to her again. Unless he shows up during the night while she's waiting, tells her some stories (which again, would he ACTUALLY tell her stories from her future, or would he just make up stories about time travel???), and then ends it by saying, "Well, I can't actually take you with me anymore even though an hour ago I told you I would, see you in 10 years!!"

I don't get it. :(

[anna_sg1]

Attempt at ~clever~ storytelling and emotional manipulation? RTD did that waaaaay better.