Discussion Thread #3 - John and Paul's relationship

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Anon Beatles Discussion Thread #3

Topic:
John and Paul's relationship.
(This is a HUGE topic for some people, and i'm not just talking about this from a "slash" angle,
but from any angle you would like to take it.
You can discuss thier relationship with eachother, additude toward eachother, ect.
 from the time they first met, the middle and
till the

Comments

[anonymous]

They were just good friends. J/P fics are fine, but they're fiction.

[anonymous]

Oops.

Still, what do you think of Phillip Norman?

[anonymous]

I thought it was a sloppily researched book, but that's not so much about the J/P stuff. I could believe that John might have considered trying something with Paul--I think that he did try something with Brian, and Norman downplayed that. So maybe he was bi-curious. Paul? Not so much.

Who knows, maybe something will come out when Paul dies. If so I'll admit that I was wrong.

But this idea that their relationship was an open secret in the music industry or something? Come on, no. Someone would have talked by now.

[anonymous]

True. I simply haven't read the book. I really don't like Norman, so I don't know if I ever will.

[anonymous]

I think they were in love, I just don't think they were gay.

[anonymous]

So, like, they loved each other but weren't attracted to each other?

(Also I think you mean "not bisexual." No one's arguing they were gay.)

[anonymous]

I suppose, but I think it's more like...they had fallen in love with each other and had all of the attraction that comes with being in love, but it wasn't really like either of them could ever have that with another guy (especially Paul). It was like their sexualities kind of faded when it came to each other. Hard to explain, but. That's the best way I can describe it really.

[anonymous]

I don't buy this "only gay for you" stuff.

Maybe John was a "1" on the Kinsey scale, he only found one out of a thousand men attractive, and Paul was one of them. Fair enough. That doesn't make him "straight except for Paul." It just makes him very weakly bisexual.

[anonymous]

I think they had a close relationship, but not sort of a gay relationship. Did they experiment? I don't know that, but I think proof of that would have come out.

[anonymous]

I'm willing to bet big that they were in love. There is just so much evidence for it (Norman stuff aside). Did they have a secret affair? I'm not as willing to bet on that, but they were so obsessed with each other. The "John's Princess" thing when Yoko diminishes Paul's relationship with John, their marriages a week apart, the bitterness of the breakup, the partnership referred to as a marriage. If ANYTHING, I bet that John was at least in love with Paul. The way he acted after the breakup (in the book Lennon in America)and the way he was so obsessed with Paul. I don't think it was JUST a musical obsession. JUST a jealous obsession. We all know that John was definitely bi, and who could resist falling in love with Paul? :) Esp when you already love the person and are close with them anyway?

[anonymous]

We all know that John was definitely bi

Do we?

[anonymous]

John did admit to someone, can't remember who, that he let Brian do things to him...then the infamous "photographer-in-the-back-room" episode...I also read that he and Stuart fooled around a bit (nothing consumating, though). And from Lennon in America, can't remember who, talks about how John came on to him..."the guy was bisexual, no two ways about it." As randy as John was, yeah, I think I can honestly say with all the things I've read, he was bi. But I didn't know John and people lie, so who really knows? John probably didn't even know.

[anonymous]

I wholeheartedly agree.. I think the feelings were returned, what with all these comments that Paul has made... "If John could come back for a day, how would you spend it with him?" "In bed." Etc etc... And apparently Paul sourced the last person to interview John a few days after he died and all he kept asking was "what did John think of me?"

I think it would be really, really rare for them to not love each other at least a little after everything they shared and went through. They shared the burden of having no mum, went through hell and back with fame, spent long hours together on tour and otherwise... And Paul was probably the best loving figure in John's life (before Yoko, and even then it's arguable) and he felt connected to him. So I'd make a pretty confident bet that there was something more in there somewhere.

[anonymous]

majorly deep friendship developed from years of being with each other in such a condition as Beatlemania which no one in the world can say they've been through except, well, The Beatles. They both lost their mothers close together, its just circumstances that pushed them together. The idea of forlorn and forbidden love is appealing on a fangirly-type level, but I don't feel they were gay together. Drunken fun, maybe, but not full-on sex or anything...

Now, as for John and Brian. Yes. I think something happened in Spain, but nothing too drastic.

John and Stu. Maybe.

But John and Paul? I don't know... I just think its so overanalyzed that people can "see" it, but they are also looking for it...

[anonymous]

Exactly. You find what you look for. If you're looking for "clues" then chances are you'll find them!