8.09 - 'The Simple Intimacy Of The Near Touch' (The Vampire Diaries)

[arabian]

A few days later than normal, but I had to deal with my 'Miss Mystic Falls' expectations first. So...

Comments

[anonymous]

Thanks for the great recap.

As someone who likes the idea of bonenzo/their chemistry but isn't blind to their faults I have to agree a 100% with your issues. The lack of build-up and the overly fluff isn't becoming them. I mean they were kissing like every 5 mins in this ep! Maybe I'm too much of a DE-fan but I think real kisses should be earned. And even sweet kisses have their limits.
And though there was some heavy talk about turning it could have been done much better as it felt kinda shallow the way it was done: Bonnie being ready to turn for Enzo is such a big step from s1-Bonnie, a development we as viewers haven't seen on screen but proves how much Bonnie really must love Enzo. Yet the lack of seeing this development and Bonnie not telling Enzo what a big step the idea alone means to her taints this important moment.

Stefan: Take it from me, Elena Gilbert never really goes away.It bugged me, too, at first, but then i thought he meant it more in a literal kinda way like: Elena never goes away/dies no matter how often you try

[arabian]

As someone who likes the idea of bonenzo/their chemistry but isn't blind to their faults I have to agree a 100% with your issues. The lack of build-up and the overly fluff isn't becoming them. I mean they were kissing like every 5 mins in this ep! Maybe I'm too much of a DE-fan but I think real kisses should be earned. And even sweet kisses have their limits.

I knew that one of my anon commenters was a Bonnie/Enzo fan so I was curious to see what you would think. I really did think I nailed it, and based on your response and the commenter below you, I think I have.

And though there was some heavy talk about turning it could have been done much better as it felt kinda shallow the way it was done

YES!!! Shallow, exactly.

Bonnie being ready to turn for Enzo is such a big step from s1-Bonnie, a development we as viewers haven't seen on screen but proves how much Bonnie really must love Enzo. Yet the lack of seeing this development and Bonnie not telling Enzo what a big step the idea alone means to her taints this important moment.Yup

[anonymous]

I thought that when I saw the preview, but as far as we know she didn't know about MMF--based on the fact that we hadn't seen her mess with those memories
I really need to rewatch it bit I thought when she erased Damon's memories of Elena/got into his mind to see for Elena one of the flash(backs) she saw has been of DE dancing at the MMF. Could be wrong though.

[arabian]

I only recall the first meeting and Elena's "death." I haven't watched any episode since it aired though so I could be misremembering.

[anonymous]

(Part 2

[arabian]

For me this actually was the best ep of this season, though I might be biased as I haven't rewatched it yet and am still so full of DE-feels.

There were too many issues in it (OK, Bonnie/Enzo issues... sorry) for that. And last week's episode was so PHENOMENAL that I just can't even at how awesome it was.

- Stefan has been such a spoiled brat in this ep, which became especially clear in his last conversation with Care.

Yup, and hilarious.

- Now we no longer need Elena back in order to bring Damon's humanity back, but there definitely has been an awful lot of conversations about an actual turning in this ep to went unnotice.

Oh, yeah! Stuffs is coming!

- After this ep. the reversion of the roles of the Salvatore brothers from s1 is complete: Now we will have a guilt ridden (maybe endlessly brooding, we'll see, though hopefully not) Damon and an humanity-less Stefan (though he is much worse than Damon due to being a ripper).I think it's more than Stefan being a ripper. His inherent selfishness is highlighted when his switch is off

[tj2013]

Thank you for your in-depth analysis of the Bonnie-Enzo-romance. Made it a lot clearer for me. I like them, but I don't ship them. And during this episode I was like " oh please, cut it short, we need the screentime elsewhere..." And I really don't want her to turn

[arabian]

Thank you for your in-depth analysis of the Bonnie-Enzo-romance. Made it a lot clearer for me. I like them, but I don't ship them. And during this episode I was like " oh please, cut it short, we need the screentime elsewhere..."

Yup, I knew I was bothered, but I couldn't put my finger on it and when I began writing it out, the words just kept coming and coming... and coming. Bonnie and Enzo just aren't earned and it's really telling since the other main couples (Damon/Elena, Stefan/Caroline) are.

And I really don't want her to turn.

I wouldn't mind if it was to save Elena, but other than that... nope.

How was that supposed to work for Damon again? Katherine aged as soon as she took it. Wouldn't Damon, too? He's 170odd years old, And Enzo - if Damon would ever allow it - would age too, right? Or am I missing something?Yup, you're missing something, LOL! Katherine was fine with the cure in her for months... until Silas drank it from her. Once the cure was out of her system she began to age. It's why Damon can drink the cure from

[tj2013]

Yup, you're missing something, LOL! Katherine was fine with the cure in her for months... until Silas drank it from her.
right, that was it. Thanks for reminding me.

I honestly expect her back for the last 3-4 episodes. I could be wrong, but I think so.
Oh, that would be so cool.

Their love story began on the Gilbert porch when Damon offered to compel Jeremy for Elena.
This, this, this. Damon walking on the porch in his white Tee, saying "I can do it", and from then on it went. In "MMF" he had already fallen for her. And she knew "we have something". Stefan doesn't get it. Sybil doesn't get it. Ha!

[arabian]

"Homecoming" is one of my favorite episodes so I remember almost everything from that one pretty well!

This, this, this. Damon walking on the porch in his white Tee, saying "I can do it", and from then on it went. In "MMF" he had already fallen for her. And she knew "we have something". Stefan doesn't get it. Sybil doesn't get it. Ha!

Indeed, but as I wrote, Stefan has ALWAYS been clueless when it comes to Damon and Elena's love story.

I did edit in to my last response that Nina posted a copy of her script (with her name on it) for the finale, so that's a given, but I still have hope we'll see her beyond that. (I admit, I really, really want to because I want to see Damon as human for more than just one or two scenes!)

[ghidorah15]

...yeah, I really don't have anything to add. This episode may not have been perfect, but it was still great. Sybil never stood a chance against Elena, Stefan without his humanity is a completely clueless asshole, Caroline is strong enough to shut down said clueless asshole, Bonnie and Enzo are cute but haven't been developed properly, and Damon is fighting his way out of the prison Sybil has made from his own mind. With any luck, at the end of the next episode, we'll get the more familiar Damon back.

[arabian]

Agreed on all of the above, as for this:

With any luck, at the end of the next episode, we'll get the more familiar Damon back.

Hopefully, and I'm hopeful that if the preview is right next week, Car9line may go into his mind and FINALLY fully see the real Damon. That would be AMAZING!

Re: 8.09

[arabian]

"Sybil was locked away in the vault for centuries. When did she learn it?" - I'd say this one is fairly easy. She might've seen snippets of it in Damon's memories while messing with his head.

So? Just because she saw his memories doesn't mean they came with step-by-step dance instructions.

"And Enzo… when did he?" - Maybe Caroline just gave everyone a quick training session ;)

Pfft... it was stupid and made no sense.

"Also, why was she even dancing with Enzo? Why were Sybil and Stefan, and Sybil and Damon dancing?" - Hm... Maybe they changed the rules and as far as dancing went it became free-for-all dance? lol

Pfft... it was stupid and went against the already established rules of the show's universe. Grrrrrr. In fact, it was even more glaring because all of them dancing contradicted one of my favorite lines from Elena to Damon in 4.07. "I wanted to dance with you today." Why did she say that to him? Oh, because she couldn't dance with him earlier that day because she wasn't a contestant in the Miss Mystic Falls pageant!

"The

Re: 8.09

[arabian]

- Ahhhhh! I didn't think of that. You're right!

See? Now you understand why it was SO wrong!

You clearly haven't been watching "The Originals" in a while, have you? lol

I have, and I will say to this comment: The Originals is NOT The Vampire Diaries... not even close. (Stefan and Caroline are reacting to that notion that they are in my icon.)