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arghreality

Consciousness & Life

May 24, 2006 13:10

What can we say about consciousness? One of the many great mysteries remaining to us, unfathomably deep, apparently.. we all (those that are reading this) have a form of consciousness, but is it uniform? If it is heterogenous, is it still of a general 'human' character - or is the arc of consciousness one that draws a line across all forms of life ( Read more... )

Comments 18

renideo May 24 2006, 12:53:57 UTC

As ever your passages of reflection are very cool to read ( ... )

nuncius May 25 2006, 01:26:43 UTC

I don't think he's trying to hide it. That's the fun thing about uni, you actually think other people care about the random discoveries about life the universe and everything which you make every new day. It's quite a fun feeling. Once I tried to involve others in discussions such as these, others not in uni. Well it's happened more than once. Nonetheless, they simply ignore you and it's really upsetting, not that they don'twant to talk to you, but that they don't have any desire to even think about things which in your mind are life shattering. Dance and drink and screw, cause there's nothing else to do.

I dunno, just seems weird.

arghreality May 25 2006, 11:33:21 UTC

Actually guys there are a whole strata of people in society who think about things outside of an academic context, or would anyway if they weren't in an academic context... they're called intellectuals! I'm not invoking the word as a status sign, as a 'good thing'; it's terrible being an intellectual, in some ways. nevertheless they exist, in number! Especially on the internet...

In fact I think you can infiltrate learning into any discussion, it just depends on how you do it...

renideo May 25 2006, 11:51:54 UTC

Though some people really do resent it.

arghreality May 25 2006, 15:54:52 UTC

If they resent it then you've introduced it poorly or unsubtly or in the wrong way for them...

Thread 6

a few quick notes. tha_iconoclast May 28 2006, 17:53:46 UTC

One does not have to claim sentience to know it is... The squirrels and mosses might not have the brainmatter of evolutionary subsistence to recognize the "i am," but that does not neccesitate that it does not exist ( ... )

Re: a few quick notes. arghreality May 29 2006, 11:44:53 UTC

Yeah, this was pretty much what I was trying to suggest, but to convince skeptical people on such an important question i set it out as an argument everyone could agree with; this argument would have a more difficult time ( ... )

Re: a few quick notes. tha_iconoclast May 30 2006, 11:26:01 UTC

alright dude, we'll do this one line by line, and maybe i'll be better able (for good or ill) to express who i am what i mean when i say things ( ... )

Re: a few quick notes. tha_iconoclast May 30 2006, 11:26:53 UTC

I don't think trees would feel the loss of their children in the way you suggest; their offspring take the form of scattered seed, which grow far far away from them, probably/possibly not communicating with them... if it does communicate, then surely it will still communicate with them as a table ( ... )

Thread 9

Descartes, lets talk rene for a sec. tha_iconoclast May 28 2006, 17:54:14 UTC

Did you know that rene had a baby girl? She was the light of his life, before all, before God. The she died and he with all his power and intellect and magicks could not save her. Rene condemned God at first. Not publicly, but in his heart. IF God could not save her, then rene would have to bring her back. He body stayed with him for months. AS she decayed, he still washed and dressed her, his little girl, his baby. She was rotting and as the stink wafted stronger and stronger he came to a decision: He would remake her. He made a doll, crafted slowly and lovingly of the best materials with a perfectly still model who had no problem with his gaining exact measurements. He filled her with clockwork, he wanted her to move, to open her eyes, to laugh and cry like her model. The body eventually decayed beyond bearance but he had his daughter still. And he kept her all his days. but she didn't move. She had no feeling. she did not love him back. could not love him back ( ... )

Re: Descartes, lets talk rene for a sec. tha_iconoclast May 28 2006, 18:01:44 UTC

desacrtes walked into a bar, orders a beer.

he talks a little to the monk on his right, and bores quickly and downs the last of his pint in one fell slug.

The barkeep, noticing, asked: "renee, you want another?"

descartes replied: "i dont think..."

and dissappeared.

one last note: Descartes did many things like nailing dogs to a peg and burning away evil spirits from possessed girls (where do you think he got the hair for his robot?). He did these things not to prove his claim of "dogs do not feel" but to, in his own medival way, find the secrets of life and existence to bring back his baby girl. She was his motivation for everything he did after her death. She is the context for descartes, for almost all we know of him. He wasnt killing dogs to see if they felt, he was killing dogs to see HOW they felt.