You're my kind of heretic. In other words, you're the kind who tries to reinterpret the Bible in light of the Bible, not in light of the latest theological fad du jour
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i have considered it. i'm never really sure what to do with it. i fear that i'm a bit too much of a word-weaver to keep the honesty required for such things.
as i've told many people (rather apologetically): "i'm truthful. i'm not honest."
but now, you know, God's gonna be like, "HA! that's what you think," and He'll make me do it anyway. 'cause, you know, He does that.
Here's the thing, though. You have a way of telling truth in a way that a lot of people understand. And if 30,000 people read something of yours, hear the truth and run with it, and go help Jesus restore creation ... Good Lord, that's better than any pastor I know! So, who cares if you're honest? Your convictions are the truth as God has shown it to you.
Like I said before, you can preach from my pulpit any day ... if I had a pulpit ... which I don't yet ... but if I did ... oh heck, you get the point.
northern baptist. and it's only because they'd misinterpret what i meant by repentence being impossible before forgiveness. since, you know, you have to ask to be forgiven, and you have to be sorry to ask. *eye roll*
the youth group leaders and college & career ministry staff probably wouldn't see anything wrong with it, but the elders and the deacons have a lot more power than they do, and since i'm a chick i shouldn't even be "teaching" men anyway...
Sorry if this is off topic but good luck on your final! I finished mine and I'm pretty out of it as of late. I'm also somewhat empty. Drained from the whole ordeal. Anyway, if you wanna chill again like we last time, give me a hollar.
Whatchoo talking about, heretical? The idea that we can not repent until we have been regenerated is fundamental to the Reformed faith, as preached by Luther, Calvin, et al.
Now, we can dither about the difference between "Regenerated" and "Justified", but it's all part of one process anyway.
Re: Heretical????asearielMay 16 2005, 16:03:16 UTC
well, yeah, but technically i can't even preach in my home church because i'm a woman. generally when i refer to my being heretical, i mean it with respect to my home church (which i do love very much; i just don't always agree with them).
many people there would probably not draw a distinction between regenerated and justified. they're funny that way...
Re: Heretical????westmarkedJuly 9 2005, 14:43:36 UTC
Do you mean "can't even preach" as can't preach? Or really "can't even discuss theology at all and expect men to listen to you"? Because it seems that the latter might be more accurate given your description.
As near as I can tell from your musings, what you're arguing for is merely the idea that Christ took the initiative to offer forgiveness to us (which makes sense, as "earned forgiveness" is not forgiveness but justice. As you haven't made any proposition as to whether the forgiveness offered is irresistible (and, thus, whether the prevenient grace of God is distributed to a small number who must accept it or to a large number--possibly everyone--who may accept it), you are not describing just Reformed position, but any non-Pelagian (i.e. NON-heretical) one. You're the one in orthodoxy (small "o
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i didn't know YOU had a journal eitherasearielJuly 9 2005, 18:00:02 UTC
well, technically, "can't preach" literally, but with people over 30, it starts to lean towards "can't even discuss theology at all and expect men to listen to me."
and i think the issue that would be marked as heretical is not that Christ offered forgiveness first, but that he had to actually forgive us before we could even want it. a lot of people i associate with would think i was getting too close to, er, what's the word, universalism? they'd assume that i meant Christ forgave everyone, so everyone goes to heaven (which, i assure you, is not what i mean). but people pick certain words, and don't hear anything else, often in defiance of logic and common sense. people are funny that way. not really funny "ha-ha," but you might hear me laughing anyway.
i do what i can to retain the shreds of sanity that i have left.
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as i've told many people (rather apologetically): "i'm truthful. i'm not honest."
but now, you know, God's gonna be like, "HA! that's what you think," and He'll make me do it anyway. 'cause, you know, He does that.
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Like I said before, you can preach from my pulpit any day ... if I had a pulpit ... which I don't yet ... but if I did ... oh heck, you get the point.
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the youth group leaders and college & career ministry staff probably wouldn't see anything wrong with it, but the elders and the deacons have a lot more power than they do, and since i'm a chick i shouldn't even be "teaching" men anyway...
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Now, we can dither about the difference between "Regenerated" and "Justified", but it's all part of one process anyway.
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many people there would probably not draw a distinction between regenerated and justified. they're funny that way...
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As near as I can tell from your musings, what you're arguing for is merely the idea that Christ took the initiative to offer forgiveness to us (which makes sense, as "earned forgiveness" is not forgiveness but justice. As you haven't made any proposition as to whether the forgiveness offered is irresistible (and, thus, whether the prevenient grace of God is distributed to a small number who must accept it or to a large number--possibly everyone--who may accept it), you are not describing just Reformed position, but any non-Pelagian (i.e. NON-heretical) one. You're the one in orthodoxy (small "o ( ... )
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and i think the issue that would be marked as heretical is not that Christ offered forgiveness first, but that he had to actually forgive us before we could even want it. a lot of people i associate with would think i was getting too close to, er, what's the word, universalism? they'd assume that i meant Christ forgave everyone, so everyone goes to heaven (which, i assure you, is not what i mean). but people pick certain words, and don't hear anything else, often in defiance of logic and common sense. people are funny that way. not really funny "ha-ha," but you might hear me laughing anyway.
i do what i can to retain the shreds of sanity that i have left.
as for journals, consider yourself ADDED!
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