WoW: Molten Core (Over 100 posts)
This is EXTREMELY large, however, it is also EXTREMELY hilarious. Read at your liesure.
1. Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:18:04 PM PDT |
What the? If so many people "have" actually been in there, don't you think at least ONE website or ONE person would know how many HP the mobs in there have??? Its a simple question, yet unanswerd (at least to me.) At least gimme a ballpark number here people.
On a second note: They cant be that hard. I know its impossibe to pull just one mob in the core, which can make it a little difficult by yourself, but thats why its a RAID instance. You are def. not by yourself. lol. If you have even just 5 people who know what they are doing, you should be tearing them apart. I have a feeling the mobs are easily defeated with proper knowledge and the bosses with knowledge, skill and strategy....none of which are hard to get/use.
All comments welcome... oh and please do..if you HAVE been in there...tear me a new one. lol.
Orladin
Level 30 Human Paladin
Guild: Twin Blades of Chaos
Realm: Lightning's Blade
2. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:27:16 PM PDT |
Amazing...we have liars!!!
34 views, still no posts.
Darn...
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Orladin
Level 30 Human Paladin
Guild: Twin Blades of Chaos
Realm: Lightning's Blade
3. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:28:10 PM PDT |
LFG - 5 man MC! Any takers?
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Settle it with punching.
Jonasher
Level 60 Human Warrior
Guild: All That Remains
Realm: Magtheridon
4. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:29:05 PM PDT |
I'll keep the destroyer sheeped, you get on the giant and the pally can off-tank the surger.
Fizban
Level 60 Gnome Mage
Guild: Thornguard
Realm: Cenarius
5. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:39:13 PM PDT |
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On a second note: They cant be that hard. I know its impossibe to pull just one mob in the core, which can make it a little difficult by yourself, but thats why its a RAID instance. You are def. not by yourself. lol. If you have even just 5 people who know what they are doing, you should be tearing them apart. I have a feeling the mobs are easily defeated with proper knowledge and the bosses with knowledge, skill and strategy....none of which are hard to get/use.
All comments welcome... oh and please do..if you HAVE been in there...tear me a new one. lol.
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So says the level 30 paladin...
I believe Garr (4th boss for most) has about 1 million hp or so? There are some single pulls in there.
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Malax
Level 60 Tauren Shaman
Guild: Admonished Prophets
Realm: Deathwing
6. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:41:48 PM PDT |
If you use beast lore (hunter skill) on Magmadar with it shows up as ~764,000, I believe.
Each Ancient Core Hound (the roaming ones that repop) has ~100,000 according to beast lore.
Toothbrush
Level 60 Dwarf Paladin
Guild: Demise
Realm: Burning Blade
7. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:44:58 PM PDT |
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What the? If so many people "have" actually been in there, don't you think at least ONE website or ONE person would know how many HP the mobs in there have??? Its a simple question, yet unanswerd (at least to me.) At least gimme a ballpark number here people.
On a second note: They cant be that hard. I know its impossibe to pull just one mob in the core, which can make it a little difficult by yourself, but thats why its a RAID instance. You are def. not by yourself. lol. If you have even just 5 people who know what they are doing, you should be tearing them apart. I have a feeling the mobs are easily defeated with proper knowledge and the bosses with knowledge, skill and strategy....none of which are hard to get/use.
All comments welcome... oh and please do..if you HAVE been in there...tear me a new one. lol.
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It is a 40 man raid dude. What the hell are you talking about 5 people? You probably need about 30 to even kill trash mobs, plz stfu and research before you talk.
Tamziel
Level 60 Night Elf Rogue
Guild: Harbingers of Lloth
Realm: Frostwolf
8. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:46:32 PM PDT |
We have done trash farming with 18 people before.
If you could manage to single pull the Molten Giants, I bet it could be done with 5, but it would take a LOOOOOOONG time.
Bane
Level 60 Human Rogue
Guild: Altera Vita
Realm: Elune
9. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:46:36 PM PDT |
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It is a 40 man raid dude. What the hell are you talking about 5 people? You probably need about 30 to even kill trash mobs, plz stfu and research before you talk.
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To kill trash mobs about 25 for the 2 giant pulls and we were taking Core Hounds and single pulls while farming Leather and Cores with 19.
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Malax
Level 60 Tauren Shaman
Guild: Admonished Prophets
Realm: Deathwing
10. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:58:03 PM PDT |
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To kill trash mobs about 25 for the 2 giant pulls and we were taking Core Hounds and single pulls while farming Leather and Cores with 19.
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Yeah, 25 sounds good. But saying 5 can do it is just ridiculous.
Tamziel
Level 60 Night Elf Rogue
Guild: Harbingers of Lloth
Realm: Frostwolf
11. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:59:11 PM PDT |
Haha, most people in there right now range the mobs and boss from Alive to dead ;] that's the way i'd see it, knowing the hit points isn't going to change the encounter for you
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Don't AoE, Frost Nova... room aggros, wrong key.
Dayln
Level 60 Human Mage
Guild: Cadia
Realm: Darkspear
12. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:10:07 PM PDT |
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Q u o t e:
On a second note: They cant be that hard. I know its impossibe to pull just one mob in the core, which can make it a little difficult by yourself, but thats why its a RAID instance. You are def. not by yourself. lol. If you have even just 5 people who know what they are doing, you should be tearing them apart. I have a feeling the mobs are easily defeated with proper knowledge and the bosses with knowledge, skill and strategy....none of which are hard to get/use.
All comments welcome... oh and please do..if you HAVE been in there...tear me a new one. lol.
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There are many single pulls, especially before the lava packs. While you might be able to 5-man a surger or core hound, you won't be 5-manning a firelord.
Since you haven't been there I'll give you an example. A firelord probably has 100,000 health. Every so often it will spawn a little fire dude. If you don't kill the little fire dude it will split into two little fire dudes. You need lots of DPS to kill these things and there's many pulls where you get two firelords. Two firelords are tough for 30 people...5-man would be dead in 10 seconds.
Hodap
Level 60 Tauren Hunter
Guild: Unsung Legend
Realm: Perenolde
13. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:36:53 PM PDT |
Just to let you know there are hardly any mobs with less than 100k hp. The only mobs i know that have less than 100k hp are the imp things, garr adds, the lava guys and its spawns. Oh yea and if you try to kill one of the giants by it-self..... you wont be able to kill it with 5 people, it just does way to much damage and takes around 120k hp. Your healers will run out of mana way too fast and you will die.
Balois
Level 60 Human Paladin
Guild: NightBlade
Realm: Shattered Hand
14. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:35:09 PM PDT |
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There are many single pulls, especially before the lava packs. While you might be able to 5-man a surger or core hound, you won't be 5-manning a firelord.
Since you haven't been there I'll give you an example. A firelord probably has 100,000 health. Every so often it will spawn a little fire dude. If you don't kill the little fire dude it will split into two little fire dudes. You need lots of DPS to kill these things and there's many pulls where you get two firelords. Two firelords are tough for 30 people...5-man would be dead in 10 seconds.
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Considering nobody ever mentioned that the Firelords spit out little dudes, I can see now how it would become harder. Even still, I stand firm. You don't need 40 people and if you have 40 people, you had best NOT ALL be dying. If 40 of you die against 2-7, you just plain suck. So maybe by saying 5 guys I was under estimating (since I have not been there.)
With your new information, I'd say 20 is more reasonable for the multiplying guys and the quick spawns. This is the kind of info. people fail to mention and thats the sort of unexpected thing that would cause an example party of 5 guys...to die. So as a few of you said, HP knowledge won't help..um, yea - I'd like to know how much these guys can take. I full well plan on dishing out a lot more than usual players.
Of all the people I've partied up with for instances and dungeons, most are cocky and quick to aggro like 15 guys. This is quite a frustration and you can't have that in a place like MC. You need a good, solid, powerful team with only the BEST equipment, spells and abilities. None of this half ass, "I'll wing it" crap. With correct timing and planing, you can easily take 2000+ damage or nillify it. Think about it.
Orladin
Level 30 Human Paladin
Guild: Twin Blades of Chaos
Realm: Lightning's Blade
15. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:42:39 PM PDT |
Please, enter MC at least once before commenting on the difficulty of the mobs.
Sinjinn
Level 60 Troll Hunter
Guild: Malicious Bliss
Realm: Sargeras
16. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:43:22 PM PDT |
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Haha, most people in there right now range the mobs and boss from Alive to dead ;] that's the way i'd see it, knowing the hit points isn't going to change the encounter for you
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It would be helpful, the same way that metrics on a mob's dps would be.
Knowing the total amount of damage that your raid needs to do, comparing that to your raid's total sustainable DPS and measuring it against your healer's rates of mana consumption would actually help maximize efficiency.
however, that's the numbers geek in me talking.
Mirum
Level 60 Orc Shaman
Guild: Shadow Protectorate
Realm: Doomhammer
17. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:47:58 PM PDT |
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It would be helpful, the same way that metrics on a mob's dps would be.
Knowing the total amount of damage that your raid needs to do, comparing that to your raid's total sustainable DPS and measuring it against your healer's rates of mana consumption would actually help maximize efficiency.
however, that's the numbers geek in me talking.
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Thank you! For agreeing with me in the fact that more info would make this instance a lot easier.
Orladin
Level 30 Human Paladin
Guild: Twin Blades of Chaos
Realm: Lightning's Blade
18. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:49:56 PM PDT |
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you don't need 40 people and if you have 40 people, you had best NOT ALL be dying. If 40 of you die against 2-7, you just plain suck.
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I'd like to see your 40 man raid of a decent raid makeup, take on 5-7 destroyers at once. Come report back with your findings...
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Crillick
Level 60 Dwarf Warrior
Guild: Vanguard of the Alliance
Realm: Stormreaver
19. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:50:21 PM PDT |
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Thank you! For agreeing with me in the fact that more info would make this instance a lot easier.
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The instance is easy enough, we dont need to know mob health to be good. Took my guild a month to learn all the bosses, now we zip through it in 2 days max, well minus Ragnaros, who we're in the midst of figuring out. Besides that, its a simple instance.
Primit
Level 60 Dwarf Rogue
Guild: Veritas Unum
Realm: Uther
20. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:51:08 PM PDT |
According to the addon I have that shows mobs Hp as I attack them, (assuming it works on dmg done / hp% checks)...
The easier trash mobs, elementals in particular have around 80-90k hp. Giants 120k, Destroyers 150k. Early bosses have around 300-400k, the bigger non-serpent bosses have 700k+ (Garr and Golemagg being the highest)
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Gilthanes
60 Warlock
Righteous Might of Stormreaver
Gilthanes
Level 16 Tauren Shaman
Guild: Get Nerfed
Realm: Mal'Ganis
21. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:53:07 PM PDT |
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Q u o t e:
Please, enter MC at least once before commenting on the difficulty of the mobs.
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QUOTED FOR TRUTH.
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Hectabit
Level 60 Troll Mage
Guild: Insomniacs
Realm: Warsong
22. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:53:41 PM PDT |
/agree
Primit
Level 60 Dwarf Rogue
Guild: Veritas Unum
Realm: Uther
23. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:54:54 PM PDT |
Troll: 0/10
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Lame
Level 60 Gnome Mage
Guild: Delusions of Grandeur
Realm: Proudmoore
24. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:55:15 PM PDT |
we have farmed the trash mobs before the bosses with 20 people, non of which were wearing more then set blues and such (i.e. hardly anyone in our guild has MC pieces yet) and it is very hard.
Single firelords arent that hard, but the less people you have the longer they take as you have to kill each spawn quickly, and with less and less people thats very little dps on the firelord while your taking out the spawn.
With set blues and no experience in MC it would be very very hard to kill mobs with less then 25 people.
Also your only sounding stuborn and foolish by insising that the thousands of people who have been to MC and say its hard are wrong, if indeed you are only level 30 and have not even experienced content around level 60. It gets much harder :)
Ahtari
Level 60 Night Elf Hunter
Guild: Black Knights
Realm: Kil'Jaeden
25. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:59:22 PM PDT |
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Considering nobody ever mentioned that the Firelords spit out little dudes, I can see now how it would become harder. Even still, I stand firm. You don't need 40 people and if you have 40 people, you had best NOT ALL be dying. If 40 of you die against 2-7, you just plain suck. So maybe by saying 5 guys I was under estimating (since I have not been there.)
With your new information, I'd say 20 is more reasonable for the multiplying guys and the quick spawns. This is the kind of info. people fail to mention and thats the sort of unexpected thing that would cause an example party of 5 guys...to die. So as a few of you said, HP knowledge won't help..um, yea - I'd like to know how much these guys can take. I full well plan on dishing out a lot more than usual players.
Of all the people I've partied up with for instances and dungeons, most are cocky and quick to aggro like 15 guys. This is quite a frustration and you can't have that in a place like MC. You need a good, solid, powerful team with only the BEST equipment, spells and abilities. None of this half ass, "I'll wing it" crap. With correct timing and planing, you can easily take 2000+ damage or nillify it. Think about it.
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Are you actually reading what you are saying? omfg you are stupid. MC isn't !&$%ing Zul'Farrak. Go breast feed some more before you talk
Aliya
Level 60 Human Warlock
Guild: Winds of Defiance
Realm: Cenarion Circle
26. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 3:08:50 PM PDT |
Congrats, you caught us red-handed; we're all lying when we claim MC takes 40 people. In reality, a Druid and I stealth farm Ragnaros all the time.
Finas
Level 59 Night Elf Rogue
Guild: Kindred Force
Realm: Dunemaul
27. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 3:12:57 PM PDT |
Most trash mobs are easily killable with 20 people. Hell, Luci is killable with around 25 people if the whole group is covered in MC epics. Most of the bosses and some of the trash mobs (like a duel Fire Lord pull) pretty much require 40 though.
Sinjinn
Level 60 Troll Hunter
Guild: Malicious Bliss
Realm: Sargeras
28. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 3:22:13 PM PDT |
Maybe you should go there first before saying you suck if you die in there?
Flarock
Level 60 Gnome Rogue
Guild: House of Errants
Realm: Bonechewer
29. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 3:23:23 PM PDT |
Our record for trash mob farming is 17 (that includes double Giants, Firelords, Lava Annihilators, Ancient Core Hounds, Lava Surgers)... but you gotta be well-geared and really know what you're doing to pull that off. Countless decently-geared 40-man raids have wiped on the first pull (2 Molten Giants)... so this ain't easy for a non-experienced raid group.
We've 9-manned Lava Annihilators (Chain banishing FTW!) In fact, we once had a server hiccup where all but 6 people got DC'ed during a Lava Pack. We had killed all but one Lava Elemental, and luckily one of the 6 that were left was a warlock. Through chain banishing, they 6-manned the Lava Elemental.
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Litheya
Level 60 Night Elf Hunter
Guild: Tears of Vengeance
Realm: Kargath
30. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 3:24:37 PM PDT |
It's not just the hp the trash mobs have. It's also the damage that they can put out. If you have a molten giant running around your camp, they will destroy the cloth classes. I've gotten 3-shotted by the trash mobs before, and I wear mail. I'm sure the crunchy clothies go down even faster.
The mobs all have high hp which makes the fights last longer. Your healers have to heal more, your tanks have to hold aggro longer, your dps has to deal more damage. The concepts are the same as in the earlier instances, it's just higher stakes, since the mobs can take and dish out much more damage.
Imua
Level 60 Dwarf Hunter
Guild: Fools of Fate
Realm: Tichondrius
31. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 3:52:22 PM PDT |
Oh right, cause if THOUSANDS have been in there, then why only 29 measly posts out of 667 views?
Not even a thousand. You gotta break at least 200 to even make me believe a thousand people have been in there. And a few posts are repeats. HA.
And look, I'm not saying its a stroll in the park, but it simply should NOT take 40 guys more than 1 try to kill 2 guys or 3 or 4, regaurdless of damage. (Which is easily prevented)
7 -10 little imps is another story, but they (as mentioned) are much much weaker. So still, its doable.
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Orladin
Level 30 Human Paladin
Guild: Twin Blades of Chaos
Realm: Lightning's Blade
32. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:01:38 PM PDT |
Not everyone that plays this game comes to this forum to read your threads.
No, MC doesn't require 40 people. But 40 people are going to want to go in order to get their gear.
Silverious
Level 60 Night Elf Hunter
Guild: Åvant Garde
Realm: Kil'Jaeden
33. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:07:58 PM PDT |
This is why you cannot 5 man MC:
(BTW dmg is measured against average geared warrior in defensive stance)
Molten Giants:
120k+ hps, 600-800 normal dmg
-has melee AoE stun, around 1k dmg
Firelord:
90k+ hps, 600-800 fire dmg
-periodically summons a firespawn that has 16k hps and 600-800 ranged dmg, SPAWN WILL CLONE ITSELF INDEFINITELY IF NOT DESTROYED QUICKLY
Ancient Core Hound:
120k+ hps, 800-1.2k dmg
-has moderate close range AoE
-each has random debuff, won't know until in battle (stam debuff, int/spirit debuff, AoE confuse, -200 fire resist)
Lava Annihilator:
90k+ hps, 600-800 dmg
Lava Surger:
90k+ hps, 600-800 dmg
-periodically 'surges' to a random player dealing 1k dmg while knocking back everyone in it's way (sometimes causes you to fall into lava)
Core Hound Packs:
45k+ hps each, 400-600 dmg per hit, can stack a DoT UP TO 13.5k DMG OVER 30 SECONDS
-ALL CORE HOUNDS MUST DIE WITHIN 20 seconds? of each other, OTHERWISE THEY ARE REZZED TO FULL HPS by surviving hounds.
Lucifron pack:
Lucifron:
300k+ hps, 1k+ dmg, 1.5k+ shadow attack dmg
-wide range AoE curse that causes all players to use 100% more mana/rage/energy on abilities
-wide range AoE ability to curse everyone to take 2k dmg after 10 seconds
His adds have around 90k hps, hit for around 600-800, but are able to MIND CONTROL players, most often the tanks, cuasing wipes.
I'm not even going into Magmadar...ugh..
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Sylvania
Level 60 Night Elf Warrior
Guild: RoaR
Realm: Tichondrius
34. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:15:54 PM PDT |
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Q u o t e:
Oh right, cause if THOUSANDS have been in there, then why only 29 measly posts out of 667 views?
Not even a thousand. You gotta break at least 200 to even make me believe a thousand people have been in there. And a few posts are repeats. HA.
And look, I'm not saying its a stroll in the park, but it simply should NOT take 40 guys more than 1 try to kill 2 guys or 3 or 4, regaurdless of damage. (Which is easily prevented)
7 -10 little imps is another story, but they (as mentioned) are much much weaker. So still, its doable.
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uh you do know not everyone reads the forums and some don't feel like posting.
Natsume
Level 8 Human Mage
Realm:
35. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:19:55 PM PDT |
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Q u o t e:
Not everyone that plays this game comes to this forum to read your threads.
No, MC doesn't require 40 people. But 40 people are going to want to go in order to get their gear.
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Agreed. I couldn't agree more.
Orladin
Level 30 Human Paladin
Guild: Twin Blades of Chaos
Realm: Lightning's Blade
36. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:39:41 PM PDT |
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Q u o t e:
Oh right, cause if THOUSANDS have been in there, then why only 29 measly posts out of 667 views?
Not even a thousand. You gotta break at least 200 to even make me believe a thousand people have been in there. And a few posts are repeats. HA.
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For almost every game, the vast majority of people don't read the forums. This particular forum isn't very heavily populated either. There are several hundred people from my server who have been in MC, but I'd bet there are 10 or fewer who read this particular forum.
Dharn
Level 60 Gnome Rogue
Guild: The Hammer Clan
Realm: Shattered Hand
37. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:42:52 PM PDT |
Orladin is an ignorant fool.
/signed
Greggy
Level 60 Human Warrior
Guild: Prominence
Realm: Dragonmaw
38. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:52:21 PM PDT |
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Orladin is an ignorant fool.
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I bet he swallows his words when he first enters MC and wipes on the first molten giant pull.
Glorfindus
Level 60 Undead Warlock
Guild: vF
Realm: Blackrock
39. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:56:02 PM PDT |
Best post ever.
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Gauss
Level 60 Human Mage
Guild: Ret
Realm: Arthas
40. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 5:14:21 PM PDT |
Way to get trolled ladies!
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Ralph
Level 60 Gnome Rogue
Guild: Ret
Realm: Arthas
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1. Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:18:04 PM PDT |
What the? If so many people "have" actually been in there, don't you think at least ONE website or ONE person would know how many HP the mobs in there have??? Its a simple question, yet unanswerd (at least to me.) At least gimme a ballpark number here people.
On a second note: They cant be that hard. I know its impossibe to pull just one mob in the core, which can make it a little difficult by yourself, but thats why its a RAID instance. You are def. not by yourself. lol. If you have even just 5 people who know what they are doing, you should be tearing them apart. I have a feeling the mobs are easily defeated with proper knowledge and the bosses with knowledge, skill and strategy....none of which are hard to get/use.
All comments welcome... oh and please do..if you HAVE been in there...tear me a new one. lol.
Orladin
Level 30 Human Paladin
Guild: Twin Blades of Chaos
Realm: Lightning's Blade
2. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:27:16 PM PDT |
Amazing...we have liars!!!
34 views, still no posts.
Darn...
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Orladin
Level 30 Human Paladin
Guild: Twin Blades of Chaos
Realm: Lightning's Blade
3. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:28:10 PM PDT |
LFG - 5 man MC! Any takers?
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Jonasher
Level 60 Human Warrior
Guild: All That Remains
Realm: Magtheridon
4. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:29:05 PM PDT |
I'll keep the destroyer sheeped, you get on the giant and the pally can off-tank the surger.
Fizban
Level 60 Gnome Mage
Guild: Thornguard
Realm: Cenarius
5. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:39:13 PM PDT |
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On a second note: They cant be that hard. I know its impossibe to pull just one mob in the core, which can make it a little difficult by yourself, but thats why its a RAID instance. You are def. not by yourself. lol. If you have even just 5 people who know what they are doing, you should be tearing them apart. I have a feeling the mobs are easily defeated with proper knowledge and the bosses with knowledge, skill and strategy....none of which are hard to get/use.
All comments welcome... oh and please do..if you HAVE been in there...tear me a new one. lol.
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So says the level 30 paladin...
I believe Garr (4th boss for most) has about 1 million hp or so? There are some single pulls in there.
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Malax
Level 60 Tauren Shaman
Guild: Admonished Prophets
Realm: Deathwing
6. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:41:48 PM PDT |
If you use beast lore (hunter skill) on Magmadar with it shows up as ~764,000, I believe.
Each Ancient Core Hound (the roaming ones that repop) has ~100,000 according to beast lore.
Toothbrush
Level 60 Dwarf Paladin
Guild: Demise
Realm: Burning Blade
7. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:44:58 PM PDT |
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What the? If so many people "have" actually been in there, don't you think at least ONE website or ONE person would know how many HP the mobs in there have??? Its a simple question, yet unanswerd (at least to me.) At least gimme a ballpark number here people.
On a second note: They cant be that hard. I know its impossibe to pull just one mob in the core, which can make it a little difficult by yourself, but thats why its a RAID instance. You are def. not by yourself. lol. If you have even just 5 people who know what they are doing, you should be tearing them apart. I have a feeling the mobs are easily defeated with proper knowledge and the bosses with knowledge, skill and strategy....none of which are hard to get/use.
All comments welcome... oh and please do..if you HAVE been in there...tear me a new one. lol.
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It is a 40 man raid dude. What the hell are you talking about 5 people? You probably need about 30 to even kill trash mobs, plz stfu and research before you talk.
Tamziel
Level 60 Night Elf Rogue
Guild: Harbingers of Lloth
Realm: Frostwolf
8. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:46:32 PM PDT |
We have done trash farming with 18 people before.
If you could manage to single pull the Molten Giants, I bet it could be done with 5, but it would take a LOOOOOOONG time.
Bane
Level 60 Human Rogue
Guild: Altera Vita
Realm: Elune
9. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:46:36 PM PDT |
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It is a 40 man raid dude. What the hell are you talking about 5 people? You probably need about 30 to even kill trash mobs, plz stfu and research before you talk.
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To kill trash mobs about 25 for the 2 giant pulls and we were taking Core Hounds and single pulls while farming Leather and Cores with 19.
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Malax
Level 60 Tauren Shaman
Guild: Admonished Prophets
Realm: Deathwing
10. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:58:03 PM PDT |
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To kill trash mobs about 25 for the 2 giant pulls and we were taking Core Hounds and single pulls while farming Leather and Cores with 19.
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Yeah, 25 sounds good. But saying 5 can do it is just ridiculous.
Tamziel
Level 60 Night Elf Rogue
Guild: Harbingers of Lloth
Realm: Frostwolf
11. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 1:59:11 PM PDT |
Haha, most people in there right now range the mobs and boss from Alive to dead ;] that's the way i'd see it, knowing the hit points isn't going to change the encounter for you
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Dayln
Level 60 Human Mage
Guild: Cadia
Realm: Darkspear
12. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:10:07 PM PDT |
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On a second note: They cant be that hard. I know its impossibe to pull just one mob in the core, which can make it a little difficult by yourself, but thats why its a RAID instance. You are def. not by yourself. lol. If you have even just 5 people who know what they are doing, you should be tearing them apart. I have a feeling the mobs are easily defeated with proper knowledge and the bosses with knowledge, skill and strategy....none of which are hard to get/use.
All comments welcome... oh and please do..if you HAVE been in there...tear me a new one. lol.
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There are many single pulls, especially before the lava packs. While you might be able to 5-man a surger or core hound, you won't be 5-manning a firelord.
Since you haven't been there I'll give you an example. A firelord probably has 100,000 health. Every so often it will spawn a little fire dude. If you don't kill the little fire dude it will split into two little fire dudes. You need lots of DPS to kill these things and there's many pulls where you get two firelords. Two firelords are tough for 30 people...5-man would be dead in 10 seconds.
Hodap
Level 60 Tauren Hunter
Guild: Unsung Legend
Realm: Perenolde
13. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:36:53 PM PDT |
Just to let you know there are hardly any mobs with less than 100k hp. The only mobs i know that have less than 100k hp are the imp things, garr adds, the lava guys and its spawns. Oh yea and if you try to kill one of the giants by it-self..... you wont be able to kill it with 5 people, it just does way to much damage and takes around 120k hp. Your healers will run out of mana way too fast and you will die.
Balois
Level 60 Human Paladin
Guild: NightBlade
Realm: Shattered Hand
14. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:35:09 PM PDT |
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There are many single pulls, especially before the lava packs. While you might be able to 5-man a surger or core hound, you won't be 5-manning a firelord.
Since you haven't been there I'll give you an example. A firelord probably has 100,000 health. Every so often it will spawn a little fire dude. If you don't kill the little fire dude it will split into two little fire dudes. You need lots of DPS to kill these things and there's many pulls where you get two firelords. Two firelords are tough for 30 people...5-man would be dead in 10 seconds.
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Considering nobody ever mentioned that the Firelords spit out little dudes, I can see now how it would become harder. Even still, I stand firm. You don't need 40 people and if you have 40 people, you had best NOT ALL be dying. If 40 of you die against 2-7, you just plain suck. So maybe by saying 5 guys I was under estimating (since I have not been there.)
With your new information, I'd say 20 is more reasonable for the multiplying guys and the quick spawns. This is the kind of info. people fail to mention and thats the sort of unexpected thing that would cause an example party of 5 guys...to die. So as a few of you said, HP knowledge won't help..um, yea - I'd like to know how much these guys can take. I full well plan on dishing out a lot more than usual players.
Of all the people I've partied up with for instances and dungeons, most are cocky and quick to aggro like 15 guys. This is quite a frustration and you can't have that in a place like MC. You need a good, solid, powerful team with only the BEST equipment, spells and abilities. None of this half ass, "I'll wing it" crap. With correct timing and planing, you can easily take 2000+ damage or nillify it. Think about it.
Orladin
Level 30 Human Paladin
Guild: Twin Blades of Chaos
Realm: Lightning's Blade
15. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:42:39 PM PDT |
Please, enter MC at least once before commenting on the difficulty of the mobs.
Sinjinn
Level 60 Troll Hunter
Guild: Malicious Bliss
Realm: Sargeras
16. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:43:22 PM PDT |
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Haha, most people in there right now range the mobs and boss from Alive to dead ;] that's the way i'd see it, knowing the hit points isn't going to change the encounter for you
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It would be helpful, the same way that metrics on a mob's dps would be.
Knowing the total amount of damage that your raid needs to do, comparing that to your raid's total sustainable DPS and measuring it against your healer's rates of mana consumption would actually help maximize efficiency.
however, that's the numbers geek in me talking.
Mirum
Level 60 Orc Shaman
Guild: Shadow Protectorate
Realm: Doomhammer
17. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:47:58 PM PDT |
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It would be helpful, the same way that metrics on a mob's dps would be.
Knowing the total amount of damage that your raid needs to do, comparing that to your raid's total sustainable DPS and measuring it against your healer's rates of mana consumption would actually help maximize efficiency.
however, that's the numbers geek in me talking.
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Thank you! For agreeing with me in the fact that more info would make this instance a lot easier.
Orladin
Level 30 Human Paladin
Guild: Twin Blades of Chaos
Realm: Lightning's Blade
18. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:49:56 PM PDT |
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you don't need 40 people and if you have 40 people, you had best NOT ALL be dying. If 40 of you die against 2-7, you just plain suck.
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I'd like to see your 40 man raid of a decent raid makeup, take on 5-7 destroyers at once. Come report back with your findings...
[ post edited by Crillick ]
Crillick
Level 60 Dwarf Warrior
Guild: Vanguard of the Alliance
Realm: Stormreaver
19. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:50:21 PM PDT |
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Thank you! For agreeing with me in the fact that more info would make this instance a lot easier.
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The instance is easy enough, we dont need to know mob health to be good. Took my guild a month to learn all the bosses, now we zip through it in 2 days max, well minus Ragnaros, who we're in the midst of figuring out. Besides that, its a simple instance.
Primit
Level 60 Dwarf Rogue
Guild: Veritas Unum
Realm: Uther
20. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:51:08 PM PDT |
According to the addon I have that shows mobs Hp as I attack them, (assuming it works on dmg done / hp% checks)...
The easier trash mobs, elementals in particular have around 80-90k hp. Giants 120k, Destroyers 150k. Early bosses have around 300-400k, the bigger non-serpent bosses have 700k+ (Garr and Golemagg being the highest)
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Gilthanes
Level 16 Tauren Shaman
Guild: Get Nerfed
Realm: Mal'Ganis
21. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:53:07 PM PDT |
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Please, enter MC at least once before commenting on the difficulty of the mobs.
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Hectabit
Level 60 Troll Mage
Guild: Insomniacs
Realm: Warsong
22. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:53:41 PM PDT |
/agree
Primit
Level 60 Dwarf Rogue
Guild: Veritas Unum
Realm: Uther
23. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:54:54 PM PDT |
Troll: 0/10
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Lame
Level 60 Gnome Mage
Guild: Delusions of Grandeur
Realm: Proudmoore
24. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:55:15 PM PDT |
we have farmed the trash mobs before the bosses with 20 people, non of which were wearing more then set blues and such (i.e. hardly anyone in our guild has MC pieces yet) and it is very hard.
Single firelords arent that hard, but the less people you have the longer they take as you have to kill each spawn quickly, and with less and less people thats very little dps on the firelord while your taking out the spawn.
With set blues and no experience in MC it would be very very hard to kill mobs with less then 25 people.
Also your only sounding stuborn and foolish by insising that the thousands of people who have been to MC and say its hard are wrong, if indeed you are only level 30 and have not even experienced content around level 60. It gets much harder :)
Ahtari
Level 60 Night Elf Hunter
Guild: Black Knights
Realm: Kil'Jaeden
25. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 2:59:22 PM PDT |
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Considering nobody ever mentioned that the Firelords spit out little dudes, I can see now how it would become harder. Even still, I stand firm. You don't need 40 people and if you have 40 people, you had best NOT ALL be dying. If 40 of you die against 2-7, you just plain suck. So maybe by saying 5 guys I was under estimating (since I have not been there.)
With your new information, I'd say 20 is more reasonable for the multiplying guys and the quick spawns. This is the kind of info. people fail to mention and thats the sort of unexpected thing that would cause an example party of 5 guys...to die. So as a few of you said, HP knowledge won't help..um, yea - I'd like to know how much these guys can take. I full well plan on dishing out a lot more than usual players.
Of all the people I've partied up with for instances and dungeons, most are cocky and quick to aggro like 15 guys. This is quite a frustration and you can't have that in a place like MC. You need a good, solid, powerful team with only the BEST equipment, spells and abilities. None of this half ass, "I'll wing it" crap. With correct timing and planing, you can easily take 2000+ damage or nillify it. Think about it.
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Are you actually reading what you are saying? omfg you are stupid. MC isn't !&$%ing Zul'Farrak. Go breast feed some more before you talk
Aliya
Level 60 Human Warlock
Guild: Winds of Defiance
Realm: Cenarion Circle
26. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 3:08:50 PM PDT |
Congrats, you caught us red-handed; we're all lying when we claim MC takes 40 people. In reality, a Druid and I stealth farm Ragnaros all the time.
Finas
Level 59 Night Elf Rogue
Guild: Kindred Force
Realm: Dunemaul
27. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 3:12:57 PM PDT |
Most trash mobs are easily killable with 20 people. Hell, Luci is killable with around 25 people if the whole group is covered in MC epics. Most of the bosses and some of the trash mobs (like a duel Fire Lord pull) pretty much require 40 though.
Sinjinn
Level 60 Troll Hunter
Guild: Malicious Bliss
Realm: Sargeras
28. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 3:22:13 PM PDT |
Maybe you should go there first before saying you suck if you die in there?
Flarock
Level 60 Gnome Rogue
Guild: House of Errants
Realm: Bonechewer
29. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 3:23:23 PM PDT |
Our record for trash mob farming is 17 (that includes double Giants, Firelords, Lava Annihilators, Ancient Core Hounds, Lava Surgers)... but you gotta be well-geared and really know what you're doing to pull that off. Countless decently-geared 40-man raids have wiped on the first pull (2 Molten Giants)... so this ain't easy for a non-experienced raid group.
We've 9-manned Lava Annihilators (Chain banishing FTW!) In fact, we once had a server hiccup where all but 6 people got DC'ed during a Lava Pack. We had killed all but one Lava Elemental, and luckily one of the 6 that were left was a warlock. Through chain banishing, they 6-manned the Lava Elemental.
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Litheya
Level 60 Night Elf Hunter
Guild: Tears of Vengeance
Realm: Kargath
30. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 3:24:37 PM PDT |
It's not just the hp the trash mobs have. It's also the damage that they can put out. If you have a molten giant running around your camp, they will destroy the cloth classes. I've gotten 3-shotted by the trash mobs before, and I wear mail. I'm sure the crunchy clothies go down even faster.
The mobs all have high hp which makes the fights last longer. Your healers have to heal more, your tanks have to hold aggro longer, your dps has to deal more damage. The concepts are the same as in the earlier instances, it's just higher stakes, since the mobs can take and dish out much more damage.
Imua
Level 60 Dwarf Hunter
Guild: Fools of Fate
Realm: Tichondrius
31. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 3:52:22 PM PDT |
Oh right, cause if THOUSANDS have been in there, then why only 29 measly posts out of 667 views?
Not even a thousand. You gotta break at least 200 to even make me believe a thousand people have been in there. And a few posts are repeats. HA.
And look, I'm not saying its a stroll in the park, but it simply should NOT take 40 guys more than 1 try to kill 2 guys or 3 or 4, regaurdless of damage. (Which is easily prevented)
7 -10 little imps is another story, but they (as mentioned) are much much weaker. So still, its doable.
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Orladin
Level 30 Human Paladin
Guild: Twin Blades of Chaos
Realm: Lightning's Blade
32. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:01:38 PM PDT |
Not everyone that plays this game comes to this forum to read your threads.
No, MC doesn't require 40 people. But 40 people are going to want to go in order to get their gear.
Silverious
Level 60 Night Elf Hunter
Guild: Åvant Garde
Realm: Kil'Jaeden
33. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:07:58 PM PDT |
This is why you cannot 5 man MC:
(BTW dmg is measured against average geared warrior in defensive stance)
Molten Giants:
120k+ hps, 600-800 normal dmg
-has melee AoE stun, around 1k dmg
Firelord:
90k+ hps, 600-800 fire dmg
-periodically summons a firespawn that has 16k hps and 600-800 ranged dmg, SPAWN WILL CLONE ITSELF INDEFINITELY IF NOT DESTROYED QUICKLY
Ancient Core Hound:
120k+ hps, 800-1.2k dmg
-has moderate close range AoE
-each has random debuff, won't know until in battle (stam debuff, int/spirit debuff, AoE confuse, -200 fire resist)
Lava Annihilator:
90k+ hps, 600-800 dmg
Lava Surger:
90k+ hps, 600-800 dmg
-periodically 'surges' to a random player dealing 1k dmg while knocking back everyone in it's way (sometimes causes you to fall into lava)
Core Hound Packs:
45k+ hps each, 400-600 dmg per hit, can stack a DoT UP TO 13.5k DMG OVER 30 SECONDS
-ALL CORE HOUNDS MUST DIE WITHIN 20 seconds? of each other, OTHERWISE THEY ARE REZZED TO FULL HPS by surviving hounds.
Lucifron pack:
Lucifron:
300k+ hps, 1k+ dmg, 1.5k+ shadow attack dmg
-wide range AoE curse that causes all players to use 100% more mana/rage/energy on abilities
-wide range AoE ability to curse everyone to take 2k dmg after 10 seconds
His adds have around 90k hps, hit for around 600-800, but are able to MIND CONTROL players, most often the tanks, cuasing wipes.
I'm not even going into Magmadar...ugh..
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Sylvania
Level 60 Night Elf Warrior
Guild: RoaR
Realm: Tichondrius
34. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:15:54 PM PDT |
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Oh right, cause if THOUSANDS have been in there, then why only 29 measly posts out of 667 views?
Not even a thousand. You gotta break at least 200 to even make me believe a thousand people have been in there. And a few posts are repeats. HA.
And look, I'm not saying its a stroll in the park, but it simply should NOT take 40 guys more than 1 try to kill 2 guys or 3 or 4, regaurdless of damage. (Which is easily prevented)
7 -10 little imps is another story, but they (as mentioned) are much much weaker. So still, its doable.
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uh you do know not everyone reads the forums and some don't feel like posting.
Natsume
Level 8 Human Mage
Realm:
35. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:19:55 PM PDT |
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Not everyone that plays this game comes to this forum to read your threads.
No, MC doesn't require 40 people. But 40 people are going to want to go in order to get their gear.
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Agreed. I couldn't agree more.
Orladin
Level 30 Human Paladin
Guild: Twin Blades of Chaos
Realm: Lightning's Blade
36. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:39:41 PM PDT |
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Oh right, cause if THOUSANDS have been in there, then why only 29 measly posts out of 667 views?
Not even a thousand. You gotta break at least 200 to even make me believe a thousand people have been in there. And a few posts are repeats. HA.
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For almost every game, the vast majority of people don't read the forums. This particular forum isn't very heavily populated either. There are several hundred people from my server who have been in MC, but I'd bet there are 10 or fewer who read this particular forum.
Dharn
Level 60 Gnome Rogue
Guild: The Hammer Clan
Realm: Shattered Hand
37. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:42:52 PM PDT |
Orladin is an ignorant fool.
/signed
Greggy
Level 60 Human Warrior
Guild: Prominence
Realm: Dragonmaw
38. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:52:21 PM PDT |
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Orladin is an ignorant fool.
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I bet he swallows his words when he first enters MC and wipes on the first molten giant pull.
Glorfindus
Level 60 Undead Warlock
Guild: vF
Realm: Blackrock
39. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 4:56:02 PM PDT |
Best post ever.
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Gauss
Level 60 Human Mage
Guild: Ret
Realm: Arthas
40. Re: Molten Core | 8/4/2005 5:14:21 PM PDT |
Way to get trolled ladies!
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Ralph
Level 60 Gnome Rogue
Guild: Ret
Realm: Arthas
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