argh

Oct 02, 2008 21:53

NO ONE knows if there is manmade climate change happening right now or not! And certainly not Joe Biden.
Palin is painful to listen to.

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atalanta October 3 2008, 01:46:25 UTC
That is absolutely not true on any kind of large scale.
Yes, everyone would agree that humans can have effects on the earth, the weather, whatever.
But scientists don't even agree that there _is_ clearly some new kind of climate change happening now (as opposed to that which has always happened and will probably always continue to happen) - much less that this is produced by people. Also, do you know how high-pressure the research funding climate is? It's like illegal drug research, it's so politicized.

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atalanta October 3 2008, 01:57:10 UTC
ok will add that to the list :)

my father has actually been reading a ton of climate change stuff recently - no job, lots of time :/ - maybe I can call on him for some recent articles.

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atalanta October 3 2008, 02:51:37 UTC
I have very little confidence in either candidate or party.
I do not trust that one or the other of them will bring good things.
I think it is slightly more likely that McCain will surround himself with people who will screw things less.
I think Obama will win and while I would rather listen to him talk, I would never support moves toward more socialist policies.

In my view Palin didn't crash and burn as badly as other people seem to think, but she is not ready for prime time.

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ayun October 3 2008, 03:50:36 UTC
What policy plans of Obama's do you consider socialist? I'm not interested in debating whether they are or not, just curious what you object to specifically.

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latemodel October 3 2008, 03:30:39 UTC
Depends on what you mean by "know". My understanding is that scientists who study this say something like p<0.1 for the null hypothesis. That's not 100% certainty, but it's enough to warrant serious action.

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heresiarch October 3 2008, 04:08:58 UTC
i understand that science is always political, but i have trouble understanding why so many scientists would claim climate change is caused by human activity if it weren't supported by empirical research. it would be equally sensationalist for scientists to make their careers predicting the next ice age (or whatever) -- how does it benefit them to challenge the use of fossil fuels if those aren't actually causing any problems? whereas the oil industry, on the other hand, has pretty clearly entrenched reasons to resist any arguments about human-caused climate change, since it's their business on the line (until they can switch over to other profitable kinds of energy, of course). i don't buy that the causes of climate change are up in the air.

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