And 10 and 11 are biological, however much over-ridden by centuries (decades?) of social norms.
And 41 isn't a "privilege", it's taking advantage of a weakness in male psychology. They aren't intended to appeal to me, they are intended to separate me from my wallet.
I call bullshit on a few others, too. I mean can 26 be anything but market forces + different utility preferences of men and women? 30 just miss-defines words, etc.
The Essential Female PrivelegequaleOctober 17 2009, 20:43:50 UTC
Is that women aren't seen as pathetic/whiney/etc.. for suggesting that you have it worse than men in some way.
This is the central problem with arguments claiming to show this kind of imbalance. I mean when you list not having your bad driving blamed on your gender as a benefit to being a man (though why this should be bad is beyond me. Given that you are a bad driver it's presumably less of a negative reflection if it's the result of factors beyond your control...seems to me this is a classic case of being confused by conditionalization) people agree and try to indicate their distaste for the situation. On the other hand if a guy lists "Not having your poor personal hygiene blamed on your gender" as a benefit to being a girl people will crack jokes about how tough it must be and dismiss anyone who complains as a whiner or sexist
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Re: The Essential Female PrivelegeauddessOctober 17 2009, 21:26:00 UTC
"So ultimately this kind of informal list is utterly useless for showing women somehow have it worse. We come with built in blinders that cause us to take the very same complaints made by men as pathetic whining so we unfairly give them too little weight."
Anecdotal list != proof. (I mostly posted the list just to show where I got the smile thing from)
Re: The Essential Female PrivelegequaleOctober 18 2009, 17:18:05 UTC
I know it's not proof, my point is that it's worse than a normal anecdote. With normal ancedotes we might worry that we have a bias that makes us remember one sort of event more than another. Here we have a situation where even when actually presented with ancedotes going the other way we dismiss them (at best) or even regard them as the opposite sort of evidence.
If you are actually outright crying in public even as a man women will come up to you and ask you if you are okay. This tends not to be a flirtatious/sexual thing at all anymore and guys tend to feel pretty akward when someone is crying.
Something I learned long ago when I was upset about breaking up with someone :-).
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And 10 and 11 are biological, however much over-ridden by centuries (decades?) of social norms.
And 41 isn't a "privilege", it's taking advantage of a weakness in male psychology. They aren't intended to appeal to me, they are intended to separate me from my wallet.
I call bullshit on a few others, too. I mean can 26 be anything but market forces + different utility preferences of men and women? 30 just miss-defines words, etc.
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This is the central problem with arguments claiming to show this kind of imbalance. I mean when you list not having your bad driving blamed on your gender as a benefit to being a man (though why this should be bad is beyond me. Given that you are a bad driver it's presumably less of a negative reflection if it's the result of factors beyond your control...seems to me this is a classic case of being confused by conditionalization) people agree and try to indicate their distaste for the situation. On the other hand if a guy lists "Not having your poor personal hygiene blamed on your gender" as a benefit to being a girl people will crack jokes about how tough it must be and dismiss anyone who complains as a whiner or sexist ( ... )
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Anecdotal list != proof. (I mostly posted the list just to show where I got the smile thing from)
Maybe later I'll follow up on the smile thing.
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Something I learned long ago when I was upset about breaking up with someone :-).
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