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Mar 10, 2011 22:56

Lets say you were told to do something by your boss and this certain something is typical viewed as being evil. But you don't know that to begin with. Do you go through with it especially if your life--er job is on the line? Does that make the person who did it evil or the person who thought it up more evil ( Read more... )

did the whole apple thing, sup luceti, action, typical good vs evil convo, it's not crawly, voice

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[Voice] semper_cogitans March 11 2011, 08:07:25 UTC
[Thinking so much has gotten Robert a little philosophical.]

... Fascinating question.

"Good" and "evil" are generally arbitrary concepts, because they are defined using categories that are too broad. The more rational method is to think of ethics instead, and to base one's decisions on humanism codes so that one will reduce harm wherever possible and otherwise strive to make sound, logical decisions.

In your thought experiment, the person who conceived the job and told you to do it is the more unethical one. You were incapable of making a sound, rational decision because you did not have the information necessary to do so. Therefore, your actions were not motivated by prior knowledge, and although they were unethical, they were not done out of malicious intent. The boss, in this experiment, had access to this information and therefore had intent, so it is ultimately the boss who is the person who should bear the brunt of the charge.

Not all situations can be judged so easily, though.

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[Voice] automoblephilia March 13 2011, 06:07:07 UTC
Well you sound like you know what you're talking about.

Suppose the hard to judge situations would be when two parties are fighting over the same thing for different reasons, or same doesn't matter, and they both think they're right using their methods to get what they want.

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[Voice] semper_cogitans March 13 2011, 10:58:34 UTC
That happens altogether too often because people tend to think they are the only correct ones and refuse to take in additional evidence. [Says the xenophobe who thinks Terran culture is superior.]

Truly, though, compromise is always preferable to fighting of any sort. It is only through agreement that anything constructive occurs.

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[Voice] automoblephilia March 16 2011, 16:59:44 UTC
Compromise. [ Have snort. ] That'll be the day. When pigs fly or it rains cats and dogs there'll be compromise.

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[Voice] semper_cogitans March 16 2011, 20:05:09 UTC
[Robert sees Crowley's snort and raises him a scoff.] Clearly your world is pre-Terran, then. Terra is quite capable of compromise and has been so for a few centuries.

Sadly a war-free state hasn't seemed to be easy to replicate in other places, but I suppose Terrans are simply unique in some way. [The subtle implication here is "superior".]

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[Voice] automoblephilia March 17 2011, 16:43:04 UTC
Terra huh? Never heard of it--you're from the future or something then?

Or your world is some sort of freaky utopia. So you're saying everyone in your world is content with what they have then?

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[Voice] semper_cogitans March 17 2011, 22:44:39 UTC
Indeed I am. Terra is a multiversion of the planet generally referred to here as Earth, and I come from the time period of 2322 A.D.

I would not be so naïve as to suggest everybody is content with what they have - merely that Terrans no longer see fit to slaughter others over their possessions or for whatever other barbaric reason pre-Terran humans could conceive of. There are far more ethical and rational ways to deal with conflict than that. [This isn't necessarily true, and Terra doesn't exactly follow that, but Robert wouldn't really recognize this.]

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[Voice] automoblephilia March 19 2011, 01:45:50 UTC
[ Have a whistle from his end. ] So I guess 2012 was a bust huh? Movie was pretty bad too.

You'd be surprised what people would go to to get what they want. But you buggers change like the seasons so--never really know.

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[Voice] semper_cogitans March 19 2011, 04:24:47 UTC
[Robert doesn't get the reference, it's too far back for him to know.]

"You buggers"? [Interesting wording choice.] Does that mean you are a non-human sapient yourself, then? I suppose if you had only 2012-time period hominids to judge by, your outlook would be logical.

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[Voice] automoblephilia March 21 2011, 02:12:32 UTC
[ Geez either too far back or too far forward. Where is the middle ground in this place? ]

Never said that. Just an expression I use--call it a verbal habit. Logical? Take it you weren't a fan of the past then.

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[Voice] semper_cogitans March 21 2011, 04:42:38 UTC
Hardly. The acts of barbarism performed by pre-Terran humans were worthy of the utmost contempt. [Robert snorts a bit.] Luckily, some of the multiversions of pre-Terran planets seem to be pleasant enough, or at least not as inept as the ones that occurred in my multiverse.

[He pauses a moment to think.] Is there a reason you are deliberating on this particular mental exercise, though?

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[Voice] automoblephilia March 21 2011, 13:10:45 UTC
Barbarism alright. Funny how people have the ability to make anything they want and they choose weapons of all things. Never understood that about them.

[ Crowley will pause as well and then very matter of fact he will reply. ] You mean thinking out loud? [ Mental exercise, really? He's never heard someone use that terminology before. ]

Not really.

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[Voice] | Had to use this icon because of yours semper_cogitans March 22 2011, 00:17:52 UTC
Neither did I. Such an egregrious waste of resources, and for no reason other than to annihilate other sapient beings.

Is that so? I often postulate thought experiments to consider in my spare time, so I thought that perhaps you might be a similar sort of individual. But at any rate, these kinds of questions are always fascinating to consider.

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[Voice] icon buddies! automoblephilia March 22 2011, 02:09:00 UTC
Well people like making trouble for themselves. Humans are good at that you know...creating problems and all that. [ Worse than demons in his opinion. ]

I guess that makes sense. Not much to do around here--so I guess postulating is a way of spending the time. Lots to postulate about this place at least. But it was fascinating huh?

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[Voice] | Indeed <3 semper_cogitans March 22 2011, 02:26:47 UTC
Ah, well, I have a thesis I am working on while I am here - and I often find ways to while time away. It is a shame that I cannot corroborate with the Institute, but... that will not prevent me from doing any of my investigations, I suppose.

And yes, I found it such. Philosophical, I suppose. Abstract reasoning is not my forté, but it is something I occasionally indulge in regardless.

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[Voice] automoblephilia March 23 2011, 02:13:30 UTC
Thesis? You sure don't waste time do you? And here I thought this was a vacation. A poor one but a vacation nonetheless. Pretty sure you'll have a lot to investigate here. [ Mainly because no one still knows anything about this place. ]

Guess I'm just a bit bored. [ Okay very bored. ] Have to pass the time somehow, right?

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