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awetum

This wacky world

Jan 06, 2005 10:55

Talk about wasting the public's money...

This is craziness. It's not like she didn't admit to it. It's not like there is any question that she murdered her 5 children. I'm not sure what the question is, but it's not even like she got the death penalty. Do they think she'll find her innocent with a new trial? That she'll get a shorter ( Read more... )

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mamakai January 6 2005, 17:25:53 UTC

That makes me so damn mad!!!!!!!

Honey I am not one that has the kind heart when it comes to a woman doing something to her kids... HELL NO!!!!!!

I would love to get my hands on her and Susan Smith. I tell you what I would do to them both...

Miss Susan Smith would be cuffed to her steering wheel and let the car roll into the creek!

I would put her ass in a poll and hold her down!!!!

OMG I hate this kind of stuff!!!!

bejart January 6 2005, 17:59:53 UTC

Well, the issue is simply the law. In order that *everyone* in this country gets a fair trial, the rules of law MUST apply. Trials by jury, innocent until proven guilty - these were radical concepts at the time of this country's founding. While many, many cases are appealed, overturning a decision is relatively rare because new evidence must be found, and the standard of "new evidence" is pretty high. False testimony is very, very serious.

So this doesn't come from compassion on my part - just an appreciation for following the law. Our basic freedoms depend on it. There are many in this country that would think nothing of abusing the law to put away "deviants" like me - false testimony and all. So we have to abide by the rules - even when a child killer is the beneficiary. It also remains to be seen if this overturn will stick.

*nod* glass_symbol January 6 2005, 18:53:36 UTC

The concept of Freedom and Liberty is the proverbial double-edged sword... it ain't pretty sometimes, but it must be pure and unbiased to make up for the unpure and biased people that would enforce the laws through their own interpretations.

Everyone always gets exactly what is due them - eventually.

Re: *nod* - p.s. glass_symbol January 6 2005, 19:17:02 UTC

I would also like to add that what most news agencies have NOT reported on in depth is the fact that Mrs. Yates was suffering from very real,crippling, mental illness. We're not talkin' sociopathic shit like Scott Peters - we're talkin' about someone that should have been in a mental facility on heavy medication because of her profound delusions and pain. She may have indeed known right from wrong, but according to mental health reports, it doesn't mean she was capable of acting accordingly. She fell through the cracks, and despite her family's very best efforts to protect her (AND the children) from herself, they received no support from the medical or social work community even after Andrea Yates admitted to experiencing urges to kill her children. The family tried to have round-the-clock supervision of her. The only reason she succeeded in killing those children is because her mother-in-law was late (or had to step out for a bit, I don't remember the specifics) getting over there to babysit Mrs. Yates and her children. Yes, ( ... )

Re: *nod* - p.s. misspris1965 January 6 2005, 19:19:48 UTC

Your thoughts mirror mine. Thank you!

Pris

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mamakai January 6 2005, 18:51:39 UTC

I guess what gets me the most is the childs love for a Mother and trust and have the one person that the child adores kill them. What they must be thinking during that time. I just don't get it.

I am for the most part a good person I think, but don't mess with kids, that's my number one hot button!

awww honey bejart January 6 2005, 19:54:12 UTC

that you cannot fathom such a thing speaks to your huge mama-love. This particular case just makes me sad about the whole world. That there are loving mothers like you gives me hope.

Re: awww honey mamakai January 7 2005, 14:14:24 UTC

Thanks love.

After my Mom whom gave up everything never once thinking of herself I just don't understand...

I have read post from friends of how their Mom's treated them and I just don't see how a Mom could be so cruel.. My God the child never asked to be born... So how could someone make another life and take it.. Or treat them less than anything short of a miracle....

I am a big softy when it comes to kids.. Just ask Deuce! LOL

I don't necessarily agree that the convictions should be overturned misspris1965 January 6 2005, 19:09:13 UTC

However, I definitely think Andrea Yates is mentally ill. She should never have been sentenced to prison time.

Re: I don't necessarily agree that the convictions should be overturned mamakai January 7 2005, 14:15:17 UTC

Oh see we are SO not going to agree on this one. I think she should be put in a pool and have the same fate she gave her kids.. Chasing the one down! Oh hell no!

There's some stuff we will never agree on :) misspris1965 January 7 2005, 14:41:54 UTC

Like whether Captain Armani is meant to be a boy or a girl, and whether I should make a donation to its surgery fund in Mamahead's name. ROFLMAO

Re: There's some stuff we will never agree on :) mamakai January 7 2005, 14:44:15 UTC

I have a fund for your donation.. LOL The Acme supply company fund!

It's a plane, no it's a bird, No it's Captain Armani!!

**waits to see if the Prissy one can breath**

awetum January 6 2005, 20:44:27 UTC

Thanks all! Although I had read lots about the Yates tragedy when it first came out, I somehow forgot about all the mental health issues prior to the event, and the reaching out for help, etc.

And yeah, as a virgo I'm usually pretty good about the details -- like peace and justice for all, yadda yadda. Did the defense argue innocent by reason of mental health? (I don't remember.) If they did do that, but she was found guilty and that doctor's (false) testimony was key to that, then I'm glad they're overturning.

I guess my initial reaction had a little something to do with me wanting to choke a teenager all the time but managing to restrain myself.

The prosecution agreed that Andrea Yates was mentally ill misspris1965 January 6 2005, 20:48:00 UTC

However, the legal definition of insanity is separate from the question of culpability. Because someone is insane does not mean that they don't know right from wrong. The prosecution's stance was that even though Ms. Yates is mentally ill, she was aware that killing her children was wrong.

The defense for Ms. Yates wasn't trying to fix it so she'd walk -- they just tried to get her incarceration in a mental hospital where she could get some help, rather than in a prison where she's at constant risk of harm from other inmates.

Pris