The Day of the Doctor

Nov 23, 2013 23:19

OMG that was awesome. Not so much the episode itself, which was fine though, but the cinematic experience. I've seen people in academia talk about how cinema is a community experience, like theatre, and sometimes, yes, it is, when the movie does it right. And this movie? Did it SO DAMN RIGHT. It had some, let's call them framing devices right at ( Read more... )

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crowfrost November 24 2013, 00:12:17 UTC
First, let me say that I loved the episode. I thought it was handled very well, but I am still very confused after rewatching it twice now. I realized that /something/ was retconned (other than the events during The End of Time, but to what extent? Is the entire tenure of the Tenth and Eleventh Doctor now non-canon, and that the Hurt!Doctor has regenerated into the Capaldi!Doctor? I would love to know your opinion because I have no idea what to think right now.

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crowfrost November 24 2013, 03:20:44 UTC
Actually, the Hurt!Doctor probably won't regenerate into Capaldi!Doctor, right? I'm now thinking that the events from the Time War are different (Gallifrey is not destroyed and the Time Lords are not dead), but nothing else has changed.

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bagheera_san November 24 2013, 11:06:53 UTC
No, why would he? I'm pretty sure he just regenerated into Nine, that was what the ears joke was about.

Nothing has really been retconned except the fact that Gallifrey isn't actually gone. Nine, Ten and Eleven up until this episode just don't remember it that way, so all their Time War angst is still canon. So, presumably, are all the Dalek episodes, because the Daleks also erroneously believe Gallifrey is gone. The Master left before the Moment was used, so he still ended up in Utopia, etc. Jack/Face of Bo perhaps knows about Gallifrey still existing, so his "You are not alone" line now has a second meaning. The only thing that might have been retconned is End of Time, as far as I can tell.

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crowfrost November 24 2013, 16:10:56 UTC
The reason I believed this was because I was under the impression that the Eleventh Doctor would regenerate during this episode, and not the upcoming Christmas episode. Silly me. Also, I was confused about how it would be possible that the "War Doctor" to simply not be able to remember the events which he/Ten/Eleven altered the outcome of the Last Great Time War by hiding Gallifrey from the Daleks in a parallel universe instead of time-locking the planet in total chaos. I just find it hard to believe that the future incarnations were unaware of this fact until now, but hey, I guess altering timelines can do that to someone's memories.

See? This is why I have to watch television shows and movies over and over again, because sometimes valuable details do not register in my head the first time around. If I had caught the crack about Nine's ears, I wouldn't have these assumptions and gone off on a rant about how the Ninth, Tenth, and Eleventh Doctors as we know them are a lieeee. Thanks for clarifying. :)

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tasabian November 24 2013, 02:29:00 UTC
I found it very enjoyable - nice interplay between the doctors.

Rose being in this serial would have made no sense, but Billie Piper was good as the Moment. My friend said after the movie that he thought the Moment was the TARDIS, or influenced by the TARDIS or that it became part of the TARDIS afterwards, because of the Bad Wolf comment. If so, I like it even more, because it would be very sweet if it was actually the TARDIS trying talk the Doctor out of destroying Gallifrey.
That's a cool theory. I liked how Piper played the Moment as initially quite sinister, but then more supportive.

The black and white opening and the first scene with Coal Hill school almost made me sniffle a little because - Unearthly Child! Fifty Years!
It's remarkable, isn't it? Did you watch the Adventure in Space & Time film as well? Such an unlikely genesis, yet still loved a half century later.

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bagheera_san November 24 2013, 11:08:45 UTC
No, but I'll watch Adventure in Space & Time when I find the time because now my love for DW has been a bit rekindled :)

Whatever the Moment really is, I like her because I have a weakness for AI characters of this kind.

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aralias November 24 2013, 11:02:59 UTC
Damn, Eight, what a rubbish plan.

made me snigger, and then read it out loud to the people around me.

yes. but he was dying... i suppose we have to give him a break.

also - your post and other people's makes me wish i had been brave enough to go and see it at the cinema, particularly since i liked it. but it meant i could come straight upstairs and go 'well... it's actually... actually i really liked it!' so, there was that. but i was also watching it at home alone.

basically all your thoughts are my thoughts.

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bagheera_san November 24 2013, 11:24:08 UTC
Going to the cinema was really a bit magical - especially because I expected it to be horrible and then it was lovely. Also I don't know if the TV version was the same, because the bit where they made you look at your neighbour was about the 3D glasses. And there was a bit with that funny Sontaran guy before that.

I like to think that the Sisterhood of Karn's drink was just a placebo, and the whole thing was a scam (probably the Sisterhood were just some hired actors sent there by the High Council, as was space pilot Cass), but Eight and Hurt!Doctor totally fell for it. Hurt!Doctor probably thought: Yes, I am old, grumpy and slightly sad, this is certainly what being a warrior must feel like! I shall sit down in this nice armchair for a bit and have some tea...

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asthenie_vd November 24 2013, 13:41:59 UTC
Well, Hurt!Doctor might have been more warrior-ish in the beginning (we did see a much younger image of him in Night of the Doctor after all), so they potion might have done something (I'd rather it did not, though, because it was a silly idea to begin with) but when we get to meet him again, later in Day of the Doctor he's turned into the guy from the special, weary from a couple centuries of war time travelling.

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dragonofmemory November 26 2013, 23:51:41 UTC
I liked it too, but I'm generally more sympathetic to Moffat era than most people. I'm also not a huge fan of Eight, so it probably helped that I wasn't all in a huff about him. I did sort of fall in love with Hurt Doctor, because he was adorably grumpy. I love that. And Four. I've listened to the audios, so I know he's been back a while, but seeing Four come on like that was like "HE FINALLY CAME BACK".

I loved Kate too, though I wish they gave her more of an epilogue. I liked the fact she's sticking with the Brigadierly plan of blowing the place to bits, even if by now the Brigadier would have learned to listen to the Doctor when he says not to go through with it. Maybe. Actually, no, I could still see the Brigadier going through with that, but still. XD

This episode really just made me happy and squeeing. I'm really sort of sad I didn't get to see it in theaters as well, cause that one would have been a fun one. <3

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