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May 11, 2007 07:48

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noveldevice May 11 2007, 13:18:14 UTC
1. Depends on the age of the children, but anything that mentions violence against a sex partner or rape in a positive or joking light is not okay, ever. I think I'd probably hold off on any explicit songs until a kid is a little older, but they're going to hear all this stuff from their schoolmates anyway.
2. Erm...my parents were really uptight, so probably not till high school.
3. I don't think there is a mixed-company exception to explicit sexual humor. This belief has gotten me shocked looks on occasion, but I persist in it regardless. I also don't think menstruation is a terrible secret that must be kept from teh bois at all times, so call me crazy.
4. Probably. I don't think I've run across any yet. There are lots of songs that are too stupid to be sung in front of me.

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baronessmartha May 11 2007, 20:44:20 UTC
Non-consensual is gross. I am with you there.

There are plenty of songs that are fun and sexy and silly or serious, and everyone is there because they want to be.

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saphyne May 11 2007, 14:23:54 UTC
1. I avoid anything with curses or REALLY overt sexual themes. Most of the dirtiest songs are innuendo, which kids don't really get, anyway.

2. Probably at camp when I was about 9. That is, of course, if you don't count "Miss Lucy," who had a steamboat...

3. None! (unless part of the mix is my mother or my mother in law)

4. None that I've heard so far.

So what is Barnacle Bill? Bawdy Songstresses want to know...

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citrine_moon May 11 2007, 14:59:40 UTC
ZOMG!!! I'll have to see if Auriana and Isabeau are going to Boredom War and I will see if we all can sing Barnacle Bill for you. Are you coming up for Boredom?

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baronessmartha May 11 2007, 16:37:48 UTC
it is a pretty rude song, much woman hate going on. It is far from one of the best or cleverest.

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dreda May 11 2007, 14:30:22 UTC
1. Depends on the kid, I guess. High-voltage swears, probably. And particularly the gross ones about sex - I think kids like gross more, and are more likely to hang on to the words longer than you'd like.

2. Eons ago, such that I don't remember. Camp or grade school, probably.

3. Mixed-gender is not a barrier. ;) Other kinds of mixing, well...

4. I don't mind dirty at all, although clever and euphemistic is WAY more fun than crude and obvious. I will opt out of gross, though - someone in another thread mentioned "S&M Man" and I went and looked it up, and I don't ever need to stick around for that.

Now, "Four and Twenty" (or the Ball at Killiemuir, or whatever), that makes me giggle a lot.

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dreda May 11 2007, 14:32:23 UTC
I just have to add this verse I've never heard (from the "Gathering of the Clans" version) because it is apropos for fencers:

The local Cavaliers were there, in elegance they sat.
A-doin' Things Unusual with the feathers in their hat!..

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baronessmartha May 11 2007, 16:38:25 UTC
heh. excellent.

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dreda May 11 2007, 14:40:04 UTC
Also also, I am very fond of pretty, dainty dirty songs. I have regularly gone to a party on the Serengeti where they sing crass and obvious songs like "Yo Ho," and then I get up and sing something dainty and filthy like "Walking In a Meadowe Green" and their heads explode.

It's fun. ;0

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siobhan1214 May 11 2007, 14:53:18 UTC
I wants to learn this! Pretty, dainty, AND dirty? Priceless.

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dreda May 11 2007, 15:00:46 UTC
And there's even a recording! Custer LaRue sings it on the Baltimore Consort's "The Art of the Bawdy Song."

(Most of it is 17thC or later; it's an awfully fun album.)

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baronessmartha May 11 2007, 16:38:59 UTC
I adore those.

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ferriludant May 11 2007, 14:54:36 UTC
1. What songs are too dirty to sing in front of most children?
Most children? Although I'm occasionally incautious I try to be fairly conservative about what I do or say in front of other people's children. I'd avoid material with explicit themes or lyrics, though metaphors (e.g., emerlion's wonderful story about "kneading the bread") are fine.

2. When did you learn your first dirty song?
Very young, like less than 10 (I was in the scouts). It was Barnacle Bill.

3. What songs are too dirty to be sung in mixed company? (yes, this question was inspired by my dad).
I'm with antoniseb here. Mixedness by sex doesn't enter into my equation.

4. Are there songs too dirty to be sung in front of you?
No. I can imagine that there might be songs, stories, even plays ;) which can offend me a bit, but my offense is not a reason for something to be forbidden. There are lines (I'm with you on hate, for example), but mere dirtiness? Nah. Go for it.

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