I think it's important that sport reflects wider realities than just what happens off the pitch, and rugby union means more to South Africa than it does to any other nation spiritually, politically and culturally.
spiritually? wtf does that even mean in this context? politically? all the more reason to want them to lose. culturally? i guess nz must have been nuked while i was watching the snooker ;)
And the rest of the rubgy-playing world bows down and praises God that it wasn't boring old England - because another four years of crowing would have been too much to bear.
nonsense. south africa (actually being the second best team around) will be in a much better position to crow than england were as world champions.
spiritually? wtf does that even mean in this context
I can't be bothered explaining why sport has quasi-religious undertones: if you haven't noticed that yet, then you probably never will.
politically? all the more reason to want them to lose.
What on earth does that mean? Rugby is political in South Africa for all the right reasons - it's tied up in the ending of apartheid and the truth & reconciliation process. Why would that make a reason for wanting them to lose?
culturally? i guess nz must have been nuked while i was watching the snooker ;)
Rugby signifies nothing other than a sport in New Zealand. The most popular sport, sure. In South Africa it's much, much more than that.
south africa (actually being the second best team around) will be in a much better position to crow than england were as world champions.So you've fallen for the All Black propaganda too? No way they were the best team around. South Africa were less showy and spectacular, but superior in every other respect. They score tries when it counts, they defend
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I can't be bothered explaining why sport has quasi-religious undertones: if you haven't noticed that yet, then you probably never will.
so there are quasi-religious overtones? sure. but still a vague throwaway notion of little use. are there no such overtones in ireland, wales, nz, fiji, tonga, etc?
What on earth does that mean? Rugby is political in South Africa for all the right reasons - it's tied up in the ending of apartheid and the truth & reconciliation process. Why would that make a reason for wanting them to lose?
lol: it seems to have taken you all of a couple of days to figure it out with your latest post! pressure has long been on coaches to pick players because of their race. imo sport should remain as divroced from politics as possible. the south african govenrment thinks otherwise. that makes me wan tthem to fail. gordon brown's ugly mug (cheering for team he obviously doesn't support) made me (briefly) want england to lose too! if i were a politician i would not attend such events.
so there are quasi-religious overtones? sure. but still a vague throwaway notion of little use. are there no such overtones in ireland, wales, nz, fiji, tonga, etc?
Yes, but I happen to believe there are more in South Africa. You might not think so, but we're both coming at it from our own subjective experiences.
it seems to have taken you all of a couple of days to figure it out with your latest post! pressure has long been on coaches to pick players because of their race.
Point taken; but I rather think that's a reason to want the team to win! Now that the world cup is won, the quota system might be reconsidered on the basis that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
i don't think so. they were the most talented team and had beaten their rivals more often than not which is why their were short odds on favourites.They were the most talented set of individuals. But that doesn't mean all that much in sport. India have consistently produced the most outrageously talented sets of individuals to make up their cricket teams down the years,
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spiritually? wtf does that even mean in this context?
politically? all the more reason to want them to lose.
culturally? i guess nz must have been nuked while i was watching the snooker ;)
And the rest of the rubgy-playing world bows down and praises God that it wasn't boring old England - because another four years of crowing would have been too much to bear.
nonsense. south africa (actually being the second best team around) will be in a much better position to crow than england were as world champions.
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I can't be bothered explaining why sport has quasi-religious undertones: if you haven't noticed that yet, then you probably never will.
politically? all the more reason to want them to lose.
What on earth does that mean? Rugby is political in South Africa for all the right reasons - it's tied up in the ending of apartheid and the truth & reconciliation process. Why would that make a reason for wanting them to lose?
culturally? i guess nz must have been nuked while i was watching the snooker ;)
Rugby signifies nothing other than a sport in New Zealand. The most popular sport, sure. In South Africa it's much, much more than that.
south africa (actually being the second best team around) will be in a much better position to crow than england were as world champions.So you've fallen for the All Black propaganda too? No way they were the best team around. South Africa were less showy and spectacular, but superior in every other respect. They score tries when it counts, they defend ( ... )
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so there are quasi-religious overtones? sure. but still a vague throwaway notion of little use. are there no such overtones in ireland, wales, nz, fiji, tonga, etc?
What on earth does that mean? Rugby is political in South Africa for all the right reasons - it's tied up in the ending of apartheid and the truth & reconciliation process. Why would that make a reason for wanting them to lose?
lol: it seems to have taken you all of a couple of days to figure it out with your latest post! pressure has long been on coaches to pick players because of their race. imo sport should remain as divroced from politics as possible. the south african govenrment thinks otherwise. that makes me wan tthem to fail. gordon brown's ugly mug (cheering for team he obviously doesn't support) made me (briefly) want england to lose too! if i were a politician i would not attend such events.
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Yes, but I happen to believe there are more in South Africa. You might not think so, but we're both coming at it from our own subjective experiences.
it seems to have taken you all of a couple of days to figure it out with your latest post! pressure has long been on coaches to pick players because of their race.
Point taken; but I rather think that's a reason to want the team to win! Now that the world cup is won, the quota system might be reconsidered on the basis that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
i don't think so. they were the most talented team and had beaten their rivals more often than not which is why their were short odds on favourites.They were the most talented set of individuals. But that doesn't mean all that much in sport. India have consistently produced the most outrageously talented sets of individuals to make up their cricket teams down the years, ( ... )
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