I wrote this big long thing a few minutes ago... don't know if anyone actually saw it, but I thought about what I wrote, and decided it was better left if I put it this way instead
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You make perfect sense. All I am trying to say is that there are people over-reacting. People passing judgement on others for voting in a way that is best suited for them. Whats the point in voting at all if you are going to get discriminated against for voting?
"Whats the point in voting at all if you are going to get discriminated against for voting?" So, are you saying those that voted Yes shouldn't have bothered at all because they're going to be discriminated against? Because i'm fine with that... without their vote people would be able to announce their love freely...
The funny this is... My gay friends and my bi friends have the attitude of "it happened, we have to work harder" not "f-- all of those who voted with opposing views and they are all horrible people." You have the right to feel hurt, discriminated against, and upset about the outcome. Beleive me, I am just as hurt and upset as everyone else. But at the same time, I can't go around calling "yes" voters horrible people because they aren't.
Well, Rebecca I could probably say you were the last person I thought this would come from but thank you so much for doing this. I debated making a post like this and just couldn't do it. Yet here it is under your lj. My sentiments exactly.
Well Jason, I have kind of changed a little bit the past couple years.
Funny thing is though... I would have expected it to come from you if it came from anyone else I knew, and was kind of surprised I hadn't seen you post anything about it yet.
I was talking with a friend last night about Prop 8. This sentiment came from them.
"If I was a politician choosing for the masses I would have to have voted no. I would be making a decision as a politician and would have had to separate my political and religious views. By putting it on the ballot they let me choose as an individual what would be best for me. I was choosing for me and no one else. When it came down to it, I had to vote in accordance to my faith because it was more important to me then my politics."
"By putting it on the ballot they let me choose as an individual what would be best for me. I was choosing for me and no one else." They're wrong. They were NOT choosing for them and no one else. Their vote was being put into a bowl of votes that got to decide what happens to OTHER PEOPLE. If they wanted to stick to what was best for them, then they don't need to get a gay marriage, or get into a gay relationship. But voting "in accordance to their faith" what they're saying is that what is best for them is to not have to look at happy people who are different than they are. They're imposing their religious beliefs on a nation. Just because they are one person doesn't mean they were voting for them, they were voting for the mass. If they don't understand that, i don't want them voting.
I've done a fair amount of research on the topic of marriage...For centuries, marriage was a religious issue. It wasn't until the concept of divorce before marriage became a legal issue as well.
Now before anyone gets offended by my beliefs, hear me out. Do I feel that homosexuals are less than me? Absolutely not. Some of my closest friends, not to mention family are homosexuals. Do I feel they should be given the same rights, privileges, and protections under the law? Absolutely I do. Do I believe they should be able to infringe on my religious views to obtain those rights, privileges, and protections? Absolutely not.
If this is truly a civil rights issue, as so many are calling it, then why is it so important to same sex couples to have the title of marriage? If it really is about civil rights, just give them the same rights, but give it a different name. I mean, they should be fighting for the same rights, privileges, and protections under the law, regardless of what it gets called.
That's my whole point. If they would change the terminology to use terms that aren't terms religions have used since, well forever, more people would have no problem granting them these rights.
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So, are you saying those that voted Yes shouldn't have bothered at all because they're going to be discriminated against? Because i'm fine with that... without their vote people would be able to announce their love freely...
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Heh, *i* can, and will, because they are.
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Funny thing is though... I would have expected it to come from you if it came from anyone else I knew, and was kind of surprised I hadn't seen you post anything about it yet.
...And you're welcome.
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"If I was a politician choosing for the masses I would have to have voted no. I would be making a decision as a politician and would have had to separate my political and religious views. By putting it on the ballot they let me choose as an individual what would be best for me. I was choosing for me and no one else. When it came down to it, I had to vote in accordance to my faith because it was more important to me then my politics."
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They're wrong. They were NOT choosing for them and no one else. Their vote was being put into a bowl of votes that got to decide what happens to OTHER PEOPLE. If they wanted to stick to what was best for them, then they don't need to get a gay marriage, or get into a gay relationship. But voting "in accordance to their faith" what they're saying is that what is best for them is to not have to look at happy people who are different than they are. They're imposing their religious beliefs on a nation. Just because they are one person doesn't mean they were voting for them, they were voting for the mass. If they don't understand that, i don't want them voting.
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Now before anyone gets offended by my beliefs, hear me out. Do I feel that homosexuals are less than me? Absolutely not. Some of my closest friends, not to mention family are homosexuals. Do I feel they should be given the same rights, privileges, and protections under the law? Absolutely I do. Do I believe they should be able to infringe on my religious views to obtain those rights, privileges, and protections? Absolutely not.
If this is truly a civil rights issue, as so many are calling it, then why is it so important to same sex couples to have the title of marriage? If it really is about civil rights, just give them the same rights, but give it a different name. I mean, they should be fighting for the same rights, privileges, and protections under the law, regardless of what it gets called.
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