I completely agree with you about Faora. She needs to come back.
I missed completely the rumor that Jenny was Jenny Olsen!!! I really hope that is true. For one thing, that suddenly makes the scene where Lawrence Fishburne refuses to leave her a lot more meaningful to me, for some reason.
And as I've already said either in your earlier review or mine, I can't remember, I completely agree with you about Lois and Martha.
Your post hits all the same points my post did earlier today, which I think means we are in agreement, except that I didn't like the movie much at all, so maybe not. *g*
So the biggest thing that bothers me about it is not, actually, that he killed Zod at the end. I could see where he felt like he had no choice, that there was no other way to stop Zod.
I'm afraid I have to back that up a step, because where I have a problem is with the writing. My biggest problem is that the person(s) who wrote this movie wrote that situation to begin with. It was deliberate. Look, aren't we edgy, bringing Superman into the modern violent era! To which the answer is: no. No, you're not. You're just lazy. It's lazy writing, and the writers don't get how to write Superman into the modern era without giving him existential angst. It was ridiculous.
I am side-eyeing everyone who is going on about how this is the best Superman movie ever. Mileage varies, but no. *g*
Huh. Not sure how I missed this yesterday. Anyway. I agree with you that Superman killing Zod would not have been necessary without all that unnecessary punchy-explodey mess that led up to it... which is why my biggest problem with the movie is the punchy-explodey mess. *shrug* But I suppose the difference is that I can theoretically see a movie with a better plot still getting him to that killing Zod decision, just way more realistically and hopefully showing it having a continuing affect on Clark. But obviously this director/writer/producer team just wasn't capable of that level of writing. Bah.
I don't think this is the best Superman movie ever, heck no, but I did adore these versions of the characters and would love to see them in the hands of someone who had a clue what they were doing.
I like this movie. I actually like it more than any other Superman movie (almost damning with faint praise, as I don't really care for any of the others). That being said, I knew going in that I would have problems with it and Zack Snyder was literally the least of my concerns. David Goyer was my real worry. He has never written anything that I really liked (okay, maybe Blade) and it turns out that my problems with the movie are on the writing level. I don't mind that he killed Zod; I mind that the narrative made it necessary.
Thankfully, I liked the characters a great deal (and the actors; Michael Shannon is endlessly amusing). I especially liked Lois. And I thought Henry was very Superman (and pretty, so very, very pretty).
Jonathan Kent annoyed me but I understood where he was coming from. Martha, I loved, especially the scene between her and little Clark at the school.
Huh. I was so concerned about the Zack Snyder/Christopher Nolan combo I didn't think to check who the writer was. Having checked him out on IMDB, I don't think there's a thing he's written I've unreservedly liked, including (or maybe especially) the Dark Knight trilogy. That should've been a red flag right there. But yeah, I agree completely: well-written material could have gotten me to the Superman kills Zod place, but not that punchy-explodey mess. (Did they just need to max out their SFX budget or what?)
I pretty much imprinted on the Christopher Reeve films (the 1st 2, anyway), so I will always love them, but that doesn't mean I don't wish they'd done things differently. But as I mentioned above, there are some things I wish this movie had incorporated.
Love the characters, though, so I hope the writing is more worthy of them next time.
for the purpose of justifying that extended, knockdown, draggggggggged-out fight between Superman and Zod.
Yeah, you're totally right. In the narrative of the film, it makes sense because that's all the options that Clark's got left, but that's because Clark's been punching through buildings like there's no tomorrow. If only someone hadn't decided they desperately needed to blow their special effects budget, dagnabbit. :-)
And there's not a single acknowledgment of the problematic nature of this anywhere in the screenplay.
This. No one suggests that maybe they should possibly be working on getting the Kryptonians away from the city? There's no effort whatsoever to toss them clear? Superman's not trying to steer them away from explodey things? It's like someone decided it was an action movie, damnit, and there are going to be a ton of explosions. People? What people? Who cares? *sigh*
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I missed completely the rumor that Jenny was Jenny Olsen!!! I really hope that is true. For one thing, that suddenly makes the scene where Lawrence Fishburne refuses to leave her a lot more meaningful to me, for some reason.
And as I've already said either in your earlier review or mine, I can't remember, I completely agree with you about Lois and Martha.
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So the biggest thing that bothers me about it is not, actually, that he killed Zod at the end. I could see where he felt like he had no choice, that there was no other way to stop Zod.
I'm afraid I have to back that up a step, because where I have a problem is with the writing. My biggest problem is that the person(s) who wrote this movie wrote that situation to begin with. It was deliberate. Look, aren't we edgy, bringing Superman into the modern violent era! To which the answer is: no. No, you're not. You're just lazy. It's lazy writing, and the writers don't get how to write Superman into the modern era without giving him existential angst. It was ridiculous.
I am side-eyeing everyone who is going on about how this is the best Superman movie ever. Mileage varies, but no. *g*
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I don't think this is the best Superman movie ever, heck no, but I did adore these versions of the characters and would love to see them in the hands of someone who had a clue what they were doing.
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Thankfully, I liked the characters a great deal (and the actors; Michael Shannon is endlessly amusing). I especially liked Lois. And I thought Henry was very Superman (and pretty, so very, very pretty).
Jonathan Kent annoyed me but I understood where he was coming from. Martha, I loved, especially the scene between her and little Clark at the school.
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I pretty much imprinted on the Christopher Reeve films (the 1st 2, anyway), so I will always love them, but that doesn't mean I don't wish they'd done things differently. But as I mentioned above, there are some things I wish this movie had incorporated.
Love the characters, though, so I hope the writing is more worthy of them next time.
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Yeah, you're totally right. In the narrative of the film, it makes sense because that's all the options that Clark's got left, but that's because Clark's been punching through buildings like there's no tomorrow. If only someone hadn't decided they desperately needed to blow their special effects budget, dagnabbit. :-)
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This. No one suggests that maybe they should possibly be working on getting the Kryptonians away from the city? There's no effort whatsoever to toss them clear? Superman's not trying to steer them away from explodey things? It's like someone decided it was an action movie, damnit, and there are going to be a ton of explosions. People? What people? Who cares? *sigh*
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