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[beraht]

I'm not a Christian, but the people that insist on stating Christmas isn't a Christian holiday because it's a conglomeration of other cultures' traditions probably annoy me more than the fundamentalists who believe there is an honest War Against Christmas

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[redcoast]

I'm not a Christian, but the people that insist on stating Christmas isn't a Christian holiday annoy me because it's a conglomeration of other cultures' traditions probably annoy me more than the fundamentalists who believe there is an honest War Against Christmas.

what?

I think that Charlie Brown was right; commercialism ruined Christmas.

[beraht]

Why would you be smelling rye bread? I feel like I'm missing something.

[stateofwonder]

So last night I had dinner with friends of mine who are Jewish and live in Quebec, where it's illegal to teach religion in public daycare (or public schools of any kind, really). Their daughter, who's around 3, goes to the university daycare, and apparently they've gotten around the whole religion thing by claiming that Santa Claus belongs to a secular tradition. So they sing Christmas carols and get Christmas stories, just not the ones that make any reference to Jesus or religion.

I don't think my friends really care about her hearing those stories or learning the songs, it just sort of sucks for them because she now thinks that these are things that everyone does, and is asking about Santa Claus at home (why doesn't she get presents from Santa, etc).

I agree with you -- regardless of the secularization and commercialization of the holiday, Christmas is still definitely Christian. Even when Jesus doesn't come into it at all.

[beraht]

Yeah, I can see where that would be annoying. Not believing in any of it, one religion getting precedent over another wouldn't affect me personally, but your own belief system being ignored for another would have to sting a little.

[stateofwonder]

I don't think they care so much about that as the fact that part of Christmas snuck under the radar as "non-religious".