Everyone hates this episode? Really? This is the only one, other than The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari, that I considered claiming. It's a high point in a sea of mediocrity, IMHO, and I thought so even before I really knew who the hell Neil Gaiman was and why he is made of many kinds of awesome
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I think this is the first mention of Zoe, and very effectively done. The DVDs are in a different order, I thought you guys were just putting all the teep stuff together to get it out of the way quicker. I adapt
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The DVDs are in a different order; I thought you guys were just putting all the teep stuff together to get it out of the way quicker
Nope. They're out of order. We're watching in the order they were originally aired. Someone just screwed up, I'm betting.
It's strange, but there it is.
Not really. I think the best thing he's ever written is his blog. The book everyone else loves is the one that disappointed me beyond comprehension (American Gods), so it's rather a wonder I ever bothered to give anything else of his a try.
The Ood reminded me of the Gaim from the start. I mean the translator bulb thing.
I'd completely forgotten the Gaim by the time the Ood showed up; I always figured Rusty was ripping off the Pak'ma'ra..
Heh. I watched B5 all the way through for the first time in 2005, just about the time Nu Who started up.
I like the blog, and I've heard him speak a few times. Lovely man, really. Didn't like American Gods at all. Is there one of his books you really enjoyed? I think someone gave Coraline to one of the boys so it's around here somewhere. I did like his episode of Doctor Who; there was some real feeling in there.
I like this episode, too, though it's one of the episodes of the show where I feel so strongly that having such a limited budget really cut into the storytelling opportunities. For such an interesting concept, this is an oddly static episode. I don't have specific thoughts on what might have been done differently, there's just something about it that feels...flat. (Though I think that's the editing as much as anything else; the show really could have benefited from a better editor
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I don't think we're necessarily supposed to find R&Z funny. The point of them is that everyone else finds them funny, and those that don't are seen as a bit strange. I remember in Season...two or three, when Londo said he didn't like them, Sheridan couldn't believe it. Also, humor is so dependent on culture (which happens in a certain time and place), so being not part of the 23rd century, we shouldn't get it. Or perhaps I'm just trying to defend the fact that JMS can't write jokes. :)
I really enjoy this episode. But I do think you're right, that it's weird G'Kar is being all avoid-y. Then again, it's not like our foursome chose who they would see; they saw who they needed to see. G'Kar knows how capricious the universe can be, so perhaps he was wise not to tempt fate.
I think the Zoey and Lochley scenes were the best, possibly because it reveals more about Lochley. I will admit, I wasn't crazy about her, and I'm still not. However, after this, I found her more interesting. It explained a lot about her.
"Then again, it's not like our foursome chose who they would see; they saw who they needed to see. G'Kar knows how capricious the universe can be, so perhaps he was wise not to tempt fate."
I think that's it actually. The best explanation I've heard.
There are so many wonderful possibilities for other meetings!
Sinclair might have appeared to Garibaldi for example. Michael would have loved that, and they had some issues to work through. Though I would love to have had Sinclair appear to Sheridan. And I've written Anna meeting Delenn. Someone once suggested Neroon appearing to Lennier and I WILL write that one day. Cartagia to Vir?
The humor leaves me kind of flat, but I think that may have been the point. The gender specificity of some kinds of humor transcending species...or maybe it's just not funny :D I do love Lochley's reactions to R&Z though.
I like this episode a lot. I'm also a big Penn and Teller fan (we totally saw them live in Vegas on hour honeymoon, and had the chance to meet them afterward. If I had a time machine, I'd probably waste it on a trip back to '06 to tell myself to ask them ZOMG, what was it like to guest star on Babylon 5??!!) And I've also toyed with the idea of who others would see had they been on the "Brakiri homeworld" that night.
But first, the totally profound thought I always, always have when I watch it: "Dude, Penn Gillett is a large man." (It's that scene when he stands next to Sheridan in the doorway, man. I know Bruce is 6'3 or 6'4 or something, and Penn has at least a few inches on him yet. Also he's just... biggerSo... who would others have seen? Just a few thoughts
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I gave it some more thought last night, and it occurred to me that John and Delenn sleep in the same bed, so if someone appeared, he or she would appear to both of them. In that case I think I would've loved to see Dukhat. It would be really interesting to hear what he thinks of their relationship, and he'd probably be pretty prophetic about the rest of Sheridan's life. Maybe he would've even warned them about their son and the whole "Keeper" thing.
That, or Kosh. But again with the Vorlon riddles.
The Morden-Lennier thing worked so well I'm hesitant to suggest changing it, but it might have been interesting to have Sinclair/Valen appear to Lennier. He could've given the same information was Morden, but Lennier likely would've taken it more to heart/angsted over it more. Hmmmm.
I really like the idea of Neroon appearing to someone. Well, anyone really :) Just so we get to see him again.
I think Sinclair might have been a problem. Once he became Valen, he wasn't Sinclair anymore. I never got the impression Lennier was that attached to Sinclair as Sinclair, so it just would have Moses and the tablets to him. When Delenn tells Lennier, 'he is my friend' she knows she's losing him not only in time but in memory. Her friend is now a venerated figure of worship, and that overlay would change everything.
So maybe Sinclair with Delenn after all. Or Sinclair with Sheridan, and Delenn walks in on the conversation. ooh. I rather like that.
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Nope. They're out of order. We're watching in the order they were originally aired. Someone just screwed up, I'm betting.
It's strange, but there it is.
Not really. I think the best thing he's ever written is his blog. The book everyone else loves is the one that disappointed me beyond comprehension (American Gods), so it's rather a wonder I ever bothered to give anything else of his a try.
The Ood reminded me of the Gaim from the start. I mean the translator bulb thing.
I'd completely forgotten the Gaim by the time the Ood showed up; I always figured Rusty was ripping off the Pak'ma'ra..
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I like the blog, and I've heard him speak a few times. Lovely man, really. Didn't like American Gods at all. Is there one of his books you really enjoyed? I think someone gave Coraline to one of the boys so it's around here somewhere. I did like his episode of Doctor Who; there was some real feeling in there.
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I really enjoy this episode. But I do think you're right, that it's weird G'Kar is being all avoid-y. Then again, it's not like our foursome chose who they would see; they saw who they needed to see. G'Kar knows how capricious the universe can be, so perhaps he was wise not to tempt fate.
I think the Zoey and Lochley scenes were the best, possibly because it reveals more about Lochley. I will admit, I wasn't crazy about her, and I'm still not. However, after this, I found her more interesting. It explained a lot about her.
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I think that's it actually. The best explanation I've heard.
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Sinclair might have appeared to Garibaldi for example. Michael would have loved that, and they had some issues to work through. Though I would love to have had Sinclair appear to Sheridan. And I've written Anna meeting Delenn. Someone once suggested Neroon appearing to Lennier and I WILL write that one day. Cartagia to Vir?
The humor leaves me kind of flat, but I think that may have been the point. The gender specificity of some kinds of humor transcending species...or maybe it's just not funny :D
I do love Lochley's reactions to R&Z though.
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But first, the totally profound thought I always, always have when I watch it: "Dude, Penn Gillett is a large man." (It's that scene when he stands next to Sheridan in the doorway, man. I know Bruce is 6'3 or 6'4 or something, and Penn has at least a few inches on him yet. Also he's just... biggerSo... who would others have seen? Just a few thoughts ( ... )
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I always thought Susan would see Talia, thereby confirming she was really dead. Besides it would have been so sad. And you know I like the sad.
I rather think Morden was chosen for his bluntness. Also because Lennier would never believe him, and thus the plot advances...
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That, or Kosh. But again with the Vorlon riddles.
The Morden-Lennier thing worked so well I'm hesitant to suggest changing it, but it might have been interesting to have Sinclair/Valen appear to Lennier. He could've given the same information was Morden, but Lennier likely would've taken it more to heart/angsted over it more. Hmmmm.
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I think Sinclair might have been a problem. Once he became Valen, he wasn't Sinclair anymore. I never got the impression Lennier was that attached to Sinclair as Sinclair, so it just would have Moses and the tablets to him. When Delenn tells Lennier, 'he is my friend' she knows she's losing him not only in time but in memory. Her friend is now a venerated figure of worship, and that overlay would change everything.
So maybe Sinclair with Delenn after all. Or Sinclair with Sheridan, and Delenn walks in on the conversation. ooh. I rather like that.
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