the happening world / can we doze it

Apr 03, 2010 09:58


Anne E. Kornblut, in today's Washington Post:Even by President Obama's loquacious standards, an answer he gave here on health care Friday was a doozy ( Read more... )

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dvancleve April 3 2010, 17:06:37 UTC
A seventeen-minute reply might just have *me* dozing...

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puppyfuu April 3 2010, 17:37:35 UTC
I read the article, does anyone have the full text of the response? I admit 2500 words is pretty daunting but from the summary in the article it looks like it wasn't enough to answer the base question about being overtaxed. It looked like he did the beauty pageant routine of looping it to people needing medical insurance.

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bitpig April 4 2010, 05:50:57 UTC
Clarification, please: when you assert "taxes are lower than when St. Reagan was in office", to what taxes are you referring?

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bitpig April 4 2010, 07:21:47 UTC
Could you cite the data, please? I'm still a bit fuzzy on precisely which taxes you mean.

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tochiro998 April 5 2010, 06:43:59 UTC
Bruce, I suspect the problem lies in verbiage and that lovely little trick mostly used by the Progressives and the Left, changing definitions.

See, it's not really a tax if it's not CALLED a tax, right? It's a fee, or a duty, or a toll, or a charge, or a tariff or..oh oh oh, here we go, a contribution.

Contribution! Who can object to contributing? Why, that's almost like a donation! And EVERYBODY knows that donations are good things, they HELP people, right?

Won't you donate, Bruce? It's for the CHILDREN don't ya know.

Ah, Newspeak. Who knew you would actually come into existence?

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bitpig April 5 2010, 11:23:31 UTC
However much we are taxed, it is too much. The government's job is to govern, not to provide funds or services. The only people that should get a check from Uncle Sam are military veterans.

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bitpig April 5 2010, 22:06:18 UTC
I hate to sound pedantic, Gid, but I still haven't seen the evidence to support your claim that "Federal taxes on individuals, families, and most businesses are simply *lower* than they were 20 years ago". To which federal taxes specifically do you refer? FICA? Withholding? Excise taxes in their various forms? Medicare and Medicaid? You can't just dump a bucket of tax numbers on me and expect me to believe that they mean what you claim they mean.

Unlike the majority of liberals, I have a truly open mind. I'm perfectly willing to believe you on this. All you have to do to convince me is:

1. Define what you mean by "federal taxes"; and

2. Show me credible evidence that these taxes were higher 1981-1989 than they are today.

Do that, and I'll admit your claim.

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