Comments | blearyboy: I'm asking you nicely

blearyboy

I'm asking you nicely

Jan 12, 2011 01:25

*slept in. Had a slightly sleepless night last night and ended up sleeping until 8.30am. Continued to get myself ready for work very, very slowly despite this. No rush to get in at the moment.
* met a sales person and he was selling me work. Made quite a strong case actually and I agreed to do the work for him. My team will be helping out over the ( Read more... )

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mytholder January 12 2011, 09:00:55 UTC

On the very last one - absolutely the right thing. They're still free to speak their hatefilled diatribes; just not at the funeral of a kid. Free speech does not imply I can walk up to you and start screaming obscenities in your face.

blearyboy January 12 2011, 19:31:04 UTC

Someone on Twitter said "I will listen to your points about freedom of speech. On Friday. After her funeral."

I agree with the decision about 90%. My doubt is not because of freedom of speech being absolute, but because publicly tackling bigots seems to work better than martyring them.

delichan January 12 2011, 13:03:45 UTC

On the last one - what he said.

On the Laughner thing ... no. No death penalty. It is ALWAYS wrong, and not just for the potential of "getting the wrong person". Death destroys hope - while a person lives there is hope for rehabilitation, hope that something better than more death will come out of this huge wrong.

blearyboy January 12 2011, 19:59:38 UTC

I wonder. I'm not against the death penalty on moral grounds, I am against it on the grounds that it's too difficult to implement.

Perhaps a society should be able to choose to - humanely - remove individuals who have broken the most fundamental rules. I mean if default person who we all agree to be the worst human being ever had survived and been tried at Nuremberg, should he have been hanged or rehabilitated? Could any person on earth countenance the idea of even a reformed Hitler seeing out his dotage in a nice nursing home in Bavaria ( ... )

delichan January 12 2011, 21:42:01 UTC

I read this reply on my shiniest iPhone on my walk home this evening and I was conversing back with it all the way. Indicates to me that we should probably take it up further over a beer or tasty wine at some point ( ... )

blearyboy January 13 2011, 23:05:29 UTC

We should probably save this for the pub (especially if you're replying on an iPhone) but essentially: I disagree with you on a purely theoretical level, I agree with you when we're talking about any real-world implementation of the death penalty.

coffee_lifeform January 12 2011, 21:49:44 UTC

fluffworld frequently refers to the fact that there ought to be "no sacred cows", and I hate that because she's totally right, and the proplem with any prescriptive morality rule is that there are *always* situations you can point to and say "...just not then."

I'm glad they're not picketing it...but I think that freedom of speech intrinsically has to be either all there or not bother.

I'm totally against the death penalty; it achieves nothing as a deterrent, which seems to me to be the only possible argument for it.

delichan January 13 2011, 00:09:50 UTC

Is Death Penalty then a "Sacred Cow" - coz actually I think it might be a case for it - together with murder. i.e. Life = The Sacred Cow.

blearyboy January 13 2011, 23:07:32 UTC

Are there any absolute rights that exist anywhere? Even the right not to be killed isn't absolute: some countries don't have the death penalty but those countries would still fight a war if required. Freedom of speech is one of the few rights that people do actually discuss in terms of being absolute. I wonder why that is?