Putting all our breggs in one brexit

Jan 30, 2017 19:48


Growing up in the 80s and 90s, I'd sort of formed the impression that the Conservatives were the money party - stockbrokers, belted earls, grouse shooting, all that stuff - and that money was therefore the most important thing to them. Oh sure, there was the odd nutter-butter who had a bee in their half-timbered 17thC ancestral bonnet about ( Read more... )

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jozafeen January 31 2017, 15:38:43 UTC
Spot on!

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rich_jacko January 31 2017, 21:08:41 UTC
You answered your own point about what we have to offer in trade deals. What you offer isn't what you can sell to them, but how you can make it easier for them to sell stuff to you. The UK is already a WTO member in its own right anyway, and the WTO itself reckons transferring the commitments and benefits resulting from our EU membership ought to be pretty straightforward. I'm optimistic on this one.

More broadly, I reckon Brexit will be nowhere near as bad or good as leaders on either side of the debate have claimed, but boringly mediocre. I also don't believe the government could get away with ignoring the referendum result. I don't see hordes of Leave voters who've changed their minds since June, and we do supposedly still live in a democracy.

I reckon Hanlon's Razor applies to a lot of the other things you mention. The Tories are anti big government. They are instinctively disinterested in government control, so I don't see a grand conspiracy here.

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grok_mctanys January 31 2017, 21:52:00 UTC
they're the control party. They're the authority party.

I worry that this is the real issue, and it's actually what a lot of people want. They want people who know what they're doing to just take charge of things and do them right, so they can spend their time thinking about more interesting things. Heck, in some ways that's what I want - it's just the failure of the "doing it right" part that gets under my skin.

I've written an expanded version of this three times now, but it never comes out right. I suspect that's due to a lot of unclear thinking on my part. So, I'm going to stop here and actually post this this time, just to get it down, and go and try and straighten my thinking out some more.

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