TVD - 4x13 - "Into the Wild" or "Oh Look, A Cave"

[bookishy]

Not quite sure what I think about this episode. Liked parts of it-bet you can’t guess which ones, lol-but spent a lot of other parts going: “Why are we still in a cave? Why does no one seem to really care that Jeremy has been kidnapped by the First Slayer? Is the name of this island actually Exposition Island? Did Bonnie skip the day where everyone

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[mythopathy]

Felt like a bottle episode to me for all the nova scotia since look! Rebekah/Elena development more of this show good good.

The Klaus biting Caroline shtick reminded me of the Robin Hood season 2 finale so much I had to stop and breathe. Never. Again.

I JUST WANT ELENA AND BONNIE TO ROUND THE FUCKING LOT OF THEM AND TELL THEM BEING A VAMPIRE IS NO EXCUSE FOR BEING A FUCKING ASSHOLE CUT IT THE FUCK OUT OR ELSE YOU FUCKING DIE THIS IS AN ULTIMATUM I don't even care about anything else seriously I'm so pissed off.

[bookishy]

The Klaus biting Caroline shtick reminded me of the Robin Hood season 2 finale so much I had to stop and breathe. Never. Again.

OMG. I know. I know. I didn't mention that here because it would have probably provoked some kind of meltdown. PErhaps that's why I had such an aversion to it, enough that it sort of shut down any curiosity for that pairing. Nope, been there. Done that. Wrote 125,000 words of fic to try and fix it.

I JUST WANT ELENA AND BONNIE TO ROUND THE FUCKING LOT OF THEM AND TELL THEM BEING A VAMPIRE IS NO EXCUSE FOR BEING A FUCKING ASSHOLE

Heeee. But they have so many feeeeelings.

[mythopathy]

I like feelings but the CW hates my feelings. Ugh I should have watched Beauty and the Beast first this week.

[bookishy]

What do you think of that show? I always see the ads, which make it seem . . . kind of awful.

[ever_neutral]

Lol I actually loved this episode. Not for deep reasons, mind. BUT SO MUCH CRACK OMG. Never leave me.

She likes Damon’s butt. This is important to me.
YES. And yes to all your Rebekah feels. Best-written Original character by far, will never understand why fandom is so obsessed with all the other (far less interesting) white dicks.

I think this is the first time Stefan has expressed a wish for the cure for himself, which is interesting because for a long time he dressed it up as being ~for Elena. The thing is, I’m inclined to believe him here? Stefan has issues with desiring / expressing desires that are purely selfish. So it was a weird air-punch moment for me when he said “it won’t be for her, it’ll be for myself”. Of course, he’s completely deluded about how being turned back will magically ~relieve him of all his problems. But I honestly don’t think it’s about Elena anymore - because it never really was.

And her “Be human with me!” was presented as a rebuttal to Damon’s insistence that they wouldn’t work as human/vampireYeah

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[ever_neutral]

He wants to tear down any reminders and abolish any framework of his pipe dream that may have been laid. And he is intuitive enough to know just how to do it. He openly admits to Elena that he doesn’t care about her friends, he mocks the life she’s proposed as “miserable,” he points out that what she’s saying spells out a life with Stefan, not a life with him and starts re-implying that “my brother deserves you, I don’t.”
YES YES YES. I just can’t get over how these fools know each other so well that they know exactly how to hit where it hurts. It’s not the premeditated sort of manipulation Stefan pulls with Elena, but it’s arguably just as mutually destructive.

The gloves were off, and it was harsh, especially since we know that this is the first time Elena has actually even suggested *committing* to a future with someone more than an “It’s always going to be Stefan” and she got rejected. Hard.AHHHHHHHHHHH THE GLORIOUS PAIN. *____* And yeah, I just cannot get over how far Elena has come -- from “I don’t know what I want” with Matt

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[bookishy]

I just cannot get over how far Elena has come -- from “I don’t know what I want” with Matt and “I can be with you forever, if I want” with Stefan - to BASICALLY PROPOSING TO DAMON SALVATORE. LIKE. LMAO. And the thing is that she’s using it to win the fight but she’s also deadly serious. She’s laying it all out on the table: for better or worse, he is it for her.

Oh God, I can't either! I am boggled. When I think about it for too long I have to lie down. HOW IS THIS EVEN REAL? I also can't deal with Damon's face through the whole thing where for a second you can see that he really, really wants to consider it.

For real though, I think Elena likes throwing down gauntlets for herself as much as she likes throwing them down for other people. If Damon had said okay, let's do this thing!, I think a small part of her would have been like O_O but then she would have shaken it off and committed to backing up her own words, 100%. Once she decides how she is going to care about you, there is no going back for her. Ever.

I think this

[bookishy]

I liked it a lot more on rewatch! This is probably because this time I had not been drinking, so following the story was a little easier. Who knew?

The thing is, I’m inclined to believe him here? Stefan has issues with desiring / expressing desires that are purely selfish. So it was a weird air-punch moment for me when he said “it won’t be for her, it’ll be for myself”.

This is a good point! I think my dubiousness with him always comes from how I feel like his character growth gets majorly accelerated or decelerated depending on what the plot needs from him, so sometimes it feels like he is at a 0 on the personal growth scale and then suddenly at a 20. In general, I think they aren't as good at plotting his emotional trajectory as with Damon or Elena, so I always end up raising my eyebrow when all of a sudden it seems like he's made a breakthrough in vampire therapy.

And I think she’s being sincere with Damon, but on some level it’s also emotional manipulation -- it’s interesting how she throws the offer out there like a test.

[an_lagat_glas]

Yeah, as much as I was into Klaus/Caroline at first, I'm having a hard time getting into it with all the S/E/D drama going on at the same time. Also, it means Tyler's around (or at least he was), and I haven't found him interesting since probably season 2. So I didn't like it this ep, but am not necessarily opposed to it in the future.

[bookishy]

I think I like it more when it is cracktastic, i.e. when Caroline is flirting with him for a purpose and Klaus is allowing it because he can't help but like the attention, despite knowing it (now) to be false. When the show tries to make it into a legitimate thing, I think it feels off, because neither character is really there yet.