not sure if i have the time right now to quote stuff (since this is actually procrastination and i should be reading about austrian-hungarian interrelations), but i'll try. :D
i genuinely, honestly think, despite everything that you've told me, ignoring my smutty OT5 gay-boys-all-around inclinations, that yoochun is in denial. :| because he is really too interested in changmin's gay sex life and doesn't seem to find it the least bit unattractive.
in the first couple of chapters, he was just very hyung and not so gay, but ever since changmin started getting a life, he started being too gay, yeah? i mean - he can go through a phase. he's allowed to watch gay porn for the plot, if he really wants too. but he should at least be kind of grimacy over the porn parts then, or something. and we need a proper (AND STRAIGHT) reason why he is so interested, if it isn't because he's gay. :3 because i can't think of any other reason.
...was that srsbnz enough for you? :D ♥ (and did it make sense?)
Yes it was srs bnz enough for me and yes it made sense. XDDD This is what I'm looking for. /responds :3
but he should at least be kind of grimacy over the porn parts thenBut why? Why do his reactions need to be at such extremes? Either he's turned on by it or he needs to be repulsed by it? Why is this the case? What's wrong with him just viewing it and responding with something to the tune of "well it doesn't do anything for me but it's not disgusting." I guess I don't see how him not being disgusted by gay porn somehow means he's gay
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oy, not saying that not being grimacy makes him gay. :) but he's a guy, and.. yoochun. and apparently very, very straight. so it would seem natural for him to be a bit, "...ohmygod" when he talks to changmin about gay things, if only to convince the readers that he's still straight. :)
he doesn't either have to be gay or homophobic, but in a 'verse where the majority (changmin, jaejoong, assumed yunho and junsu) are gay, and where changmin often wonders whether his roommate is turning gay, it makes it easier to believe that he is straight if he actually says so himself. he did in the beginning of the series, where he also dated a girl if i remember right, but lately it has seemed like his love life has come to a standstill. this could be because changmin, whose POV we see everything from, has been busy and has thus not paid attention to his roommates dates, but as far as i see it, as a reader, yoochun is just not going out. and he's watching lots of gay porn, and being very, very interested in his gay roommate's life, yeah?
Yes, in the beginning Chun made a few comments about some girl he was seeing. He mentioned he split with her at the beginning of the third chapter and yes, there hasn't been a mention of a girl since...
but lately it has seemed like his love life has come to a standstill -BUT remember that the third chapter only took place... less than two weeks ago, in fic time. With midterms coming up, Chun has actually been a better student than him and has been busy with school (lawl cause he actually knew when HIS midterms were XD). Chun might be a bit of a player but you think he'd already have moved on to another girl in less than two weeks? ;__;
but as far as i see it, as a reader, yoochun is just not going outChun IS actually out quite a bit in this chapter. He was out when Min showered at the beginning of the chapter (which was Friday night). He was out when Jaejoong called in the following scene (Saturday night). He was coming home from a party/bar/somewhere (as he reeked of cigarettes and was drunk) during the watching-porn-together
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Most straight friends i have would grimace at gay porn or bash it and not watch it...Chun is seriously in denial xD he's either bi or gay :] straight nooooo way xD my thought though :]
Who said he's watching porn? XD He told Min he's watching the plot parts of the movies... for all we know he's fast-forwarding through the sex parts XD
sure he is...xD Come on~ who would skip sex scenes man no one i tell ya no one XD and really no one watches porn for the plots tch...go to a cinema for a full plot movie they have better plots >:D
XDDD Believe it or not, Chun is based of a Japanese exchange student I knew last year, and despite all his porn-watching and yaoi-manga-reading, he was very straight... just curious why girls liked to watch and read that stuff, that's all.
I think Yoochun might just be curious? I don't know, he hasn't really done anything to really seem gay to me... I mean, besides the watching gay porn stuff, and being all interested in Min's love life, haha. But I think... the Yoochun in your story seems really intelligent, and curious a lot. Maybe he's straight, but this whole gay thing is something he wants to learn about, kind of? Because it's something he's never applied to himself, and now that it's more of... in your face, what with Min and Jaejoong, he's more like... "Okay, well what exactly is gay porn?"
I totally think he could've watched the gay porn without being disgusted or turned on. I know me and my friends used to watch porn to critique it for our drama club, haha, and we had plenty of straight kids that watched gay porn without any extreme reactions, and vice versa.
And... yeah, that's my rambly not-so-coherent take on it, hahaha. For me, Yoochun still seems very straight. Maybe I could believe he was bi, or leaning towards it, but nope, he doesn't seem very gay to
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Oh good, I'm glad someone actually thinks he's still straight XDDDDD Wow, your explanation was very close to what I had in mind, to be honest :3 Chun sees Min is all wrapped up in this porn and now the guy in the porn is an everyday part of Min's life... Chun just wants to understand what Min's watching and what Jae does so he can connect with them better :3 ... well he's got other reasons for watching too but those will come out next chapter XDDD
And now that you mentioned watching porn for school, it reminded me that in my History of Asian Art class, we saw a lot of guy-on-guy art that was VERY explicit and the guys in our class were able to be mature and calm about viewing it without freaking out about being gay XDDD
Ok... so here's the thing yea.. Chun has to be AT LEAST bi-curious. If he can't settle down with one girl for too long then he's got to wonder why. He probably looks at Changmin, someone who's got it together for the most part and how he's having quite a bit or not-boring-at-all fun with Jae and thinks "Hmm.. maybe he's on to something". Besides straight guys that are comfortable with themselves and their sexuality can watch just about anything and admit it
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LOL wooooow at your critique XDDDD Well that's certainly an interesting take on it XDDD
Though I'm not sure I understand what you're saying :3 You said straight guys who're cool with themselves can watch anything, and yet Chun is watching gay porn and so he's gay?
Chunface is either full on homo in denial or he's in love with Changmin. LOL neither XD He's straight.
I'm saying it can go either way. If he's straight then he's at the metro end of the spectrum. He likes to play dress-up with Changmin and he makes comments like "No they're not, they're hot.." Personally, someone in this story has to be straight and it may as well be the Chunner.
If he's straight then he's probably just comfortable with his sexuality and he's mildly curious how the other side does it. What's completely bizarre to me though is that most gay porn stars are straight. :O I was not aware. The money must be hella good. Maybe Chunface is looking for a new job?
If he's gay he's been denying himself a whole lot of Changmin lovin.
i think chun's NOT gay (he didn't touch min for all the years they've been "sleeping together" haha) well bi at most. or just plain curious. he was watching those cross-dressing porn right? so yeah... guys in prison do stuff just because and that did not make them gay and i don't know why i'm talking about guys in prison okay i'll shut up now. ^^
to sum it all up, chunface could be anything we want him to be. but of course it's all up to you^^
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i genuinely, honestly think, despite everything that you've told me, ignoring my smutty OT5 gay-boys-all-around inclinations, that yoochun is in denial. :| because he is really too interested in changmin's gay sex life and doesn't seem to find it the least bit unattractive.
in the first couple of chapters, he was just very hyung and not so gay, but ever since changmin started getting a life, he started being too gay, yeah? i mean - he can go through a phase. he's allowed to watch gay porn for the plot, if he really wants too. but he should at least be kind of grimacy over the porn parts then, or something. and we need a proper (AND STRAIGHT) reason why he is so interested, if it isn't because he's gay. :3 because i can't think of any other reason.
...was that srsbnz enough for you? :D ♥ (and did it make sense?)
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but he should at least be kind of grimacy over the porn parts thenBut why? Why do his reactions need to be at such extremes? Either he's turned on by it or he needs to be repulsed by it? Why is this the case? What's wrong with him just viewing it and responding with something to the tune of "well it doesn't do anything for me but it's not disgusting." I guess I don't see how him not being disgusted by gay porn somehow means he's gay ( ... )
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he doesn't either have to be gay or homophobic, but in a 'verse where the majority (changmin, jaejoong, assumed yunho and junsu) are gay, and where changmin often wonders whether his roommate is turning gay, it makes it easier to believe that he is straight if he actually says so himself. he did in the beginning of the series, where he also dated a girl if i remember right, but lately it has seemed like his love life has come to a standstill. this could be because changmin, whose POV we see everything from, has been busy and has thus not paid attention to his roommates dates, but as far as i see it, as a reader, yoochun is just not going out. and he's watching lots of gay porn, and being very, very interested in his gay roommate's life, yeah?
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but lately it has seemed like his love life has come to a standstill
-BUT remember that the third chapter only took place... less than two weeks ago, in fic time. With midterms coming up, Chun has actually been a better student than him and has been busy with school (lawl cause he actually knew when HIS midterms were XD). Chun might be a bit of a player but you think he'd already have moved on to another girl in less than two weeks? ;__;
but as far as i see it, as a reader, yoochun is just not going outChun IS actually out quite a bit in this chapter. He was out when Min showered at the beginning of the chapter (which was Friday night). He was out when Jaejoong called in the following scene (Saturday night). He was coming home from a party/bar/somewhere (as he reeked of cigarettes and was drunk) during the watching-porn-together ( ... )
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I totally think he could've watched the gay porn without being disgusted or turned on. I know me and my friends used to watch porn to critique it for our drama club, haha, and we had plenty of straight kids that watched gay porn without any extreme reactions, and vice versa.
And... yeah, that's my rambly not-so-coherent take on it, hahaha. For me, Yoochun still seems very straight. Maybe I could believe he was bi, or leaning towards it, but nope, he doesn't seem very gay to ( ... )
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And now that you mentioned watching porn for school, it reminded me that in my History of Asian Art class, we saw a lot of guy-on-guy art that was VERY explicit and the guys in our class were able to be mature and calm about viewing it without freaking out about being gay XDDD
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Though I'm not sure I understand what you're saying :3 You said straight guys who're cool with themselves can watch anything, and yet Chun is watching gay porn and so he's gay?
Chunface is either full on homo in denial or he's in love with Changmin.
LOL neither XD He's straight.
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If he's straight then he's probably just comfortable with his sexuality and he's mildly curious how the other side does it. What's completely bizarre to me though is that most gay porn stars are straight. :O I was not aware. The money must be hella good. Maybe Chunface is looking for a new job?
If he's gay he's been denying himself a whole lot of Changmin lovin.
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well bi at most. or just plain curious. he was watching those cross-dressing porn right? so yeah...
guys in prison do stuff just because and that did not make them gay and i don't know why i'm talking about guys in prison okay i'll shut up now. ^^
to sum it all up, chunface could be anything we want him to be.
but of course it's all up to you^^
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Yes, Chun's straight... and maybe just a bit curious what Jae and Min are doing XDDDD But he's not gay.
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