castle finale: 'Did I say that I need you, did I say that I want you? Oh, if I didn't, I'm a fool.'

[borg_princess]

I haven’t written an ep reaction in a long while, but since everyone and their dog is doing a Castle finale post, well, let me hop on the bandwagon. (caps courtesy of rawr_caps- I did the combining, tho, as you can prob tell by the amateurish blends, lol)

Comments

[jenrose1]

Am I like the only person who figured out months ago that Montgomery HAD to be in on the thing at the ground level? Logically, there wasn't another choice that would have the level of emotional impact, and I don't remember at what point I figured it, but certainly at the mention of a 3rd cop, but sooner, I think, when they first started talking about "you have no idea"... I didn't want him to be dirty, but I wasn't even a tiny bit surprised

[borg_princess]

Am I like the only person who figured out months ago that Montgomery HAD to be in on the thing at the ground level?

I guess so! I wish you'd made a huge thing about it and then the writers would take it back 'coz they didn't wanna do something everyone already knew and was talking about. I did not see it coming.

Rubber tree plant. Had to look that one up myself.

Thanks. They're not usually so obscure with their references. O.o Unless it's a generation gap thing.

If you read it as "Kate talking in subtext and Castle not getting it" it all makes sense. She's trying to goad him into a confession of his feelings, because she's not willing to take the first step, and he's still trying to be respectful of her relationship with Josh. See, a lot of people say that and I can see it that way if I take it out of context- because especially with that 'funniest boy in class and it's not enough' line, it SO sounds like her being frustrated that he's not coming out with it. (reminds me of...I can't believe I'm saying this...Hermione/Ron in

[jenrose1]

My husband watched the finale today and was all, "I was kind of wondering if it would be Montgomery, but then thought, no, that's too obvious."

And I don't see it as her wanting to get squishy wuvs in that moment, I think she's just fed up, and betrayed and not really thinking clearly, and *reacting*. And so things she would never want to say (like pushing him to 'fess) are coming out in a way she wouldn't normally say them, if she were in more control.

[borg_princess]

CAN WE IGNORE THAT I AM LIKE A MONTH LATE REPLYING TO THIS? Okay, good.

I don’t ship it, but these two are standing awfully close. JS.

I totally ship it.

HAHA, that was for youuuu! I thought you'd like that. ^_^

GURL HE'S AN ASSASSIN YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OGLING HIM.

HE'S AN ASSASSIN, HOW AM I NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OGLING HIM? ONE OF MY LATEST SHIPS IS AN ASSASSIN AND THE CHICK TRYING TO STOP HIM, OKAY. MY MIND IS TWISTED. (I was almost disappointed Lockwood died. *facepalm* But then I was like, 'No, this is good, it meant Montgomery didn't die for nothing. I AM OKAY WITH THIS. But still.')

I don't think he meant it as an insult, I think he meant it to kick start Castle into action. *shrug*

Huh, okay. It's just- if he'd said it...deprecatingly...like, with the tone to show that it was not a personal thing, okay, but he was all intense and harsh and driven, and it came off sounding like a judgment to me...

Like a few other things this ep, I get where it was heading but the way it was executed didn't pull it off.

Really

[borg_princess]

I didn't squee... I thought it was a bit of a "milestone" in their relationship and it showed what kind of relationship they do have - that Ryan was willing to take a beating for his friend, he didn't fight back, he just let Esposito take it out on him because he knew he was right. Doesn't make what Esposito did rightOH, THANK YOU. I'm just so tired of people seeing physical violence as a sign of love. Just no! I can appreciate that it's prob different with two guys (I'm not a guy, I wouldn't know, but they're more physical and stuff, I guess, they tend to work through emotions with throwing punches, according to the literature) and that it's a testament to their partnership that Ryan was okay with letting Esposito take his grief out on him. I just didn't like the romantic construction of it

[borg_princess]

I was crying like a bitch by that point and don't really remember that part, lol.

You and me both. I had to rewatch several times to get a coherent post done. ;_;

I think even though he played a part in what happened to her mother, they won't look at him like a crook. They can't. He's not that kind of character that you can suddenly say, "oh well he was evil all along."

I know, but it still hurts. I think that even though they realize he's only human and made mistakes, they still...they looked up to him, he was a mentor and a great boss and finding out the idol had feet of clay...it's...ouch. It's not something they can separate from their memories of him, I think it's going to affect the way they remember him for a long, long time.

I know I don't watch the show that "critically"

I AM A JUDGMENTAL BITCH, I KNOWWWW.

and I don't pay a lot of attention to the themes and characterisation and such (I wouldn't even know how to talk about TV shows like you do, honestly).

Um. I nitpick. A lot. It's easy. :P It's not a matter of '

[anuna_81]

This was one very complex epsiode, and I think it takes a lot of time to process every detail, and I wanted to offer some possible explanations. I don't think it was Montgomery who held Lockwood's leash at all. To me it seemed like Montgomery was a small part of a big scheme once - he was a rookie who hooked up with really bad guys and he was naive and didn't realize in time what exactly he was doing. he spent his life trying to redeem himself. This entire twist on his character doesn't ruin him, or the entire series to me at all. I always had a feeling of certain darkness about captain, he had few moments where you just see that he's been through stuff, and i have no problem with him being a tainted hero. It makes him all the more precious to me. I think it's a bit too harsh to compare him to Pettigrew from Harry Potter. Pettigrew sold out Harry's parents and then Harry as well. What Montgomery did, especially considering how much he tried to redeem hismelf, can't really be compared to it

[borg_princess]

Yeah, the bit with the leash, I think that was just Beckett spinning theories wildly (her going off the rails here, instead of being the by-the-book cop who always goes on the fact, is a major sign things are getting to her)- it's just I'm used to what she/Castle come up with being right so I was like, 'Is this part of the usual thing the show does where their theory is correct or is she just making it up as she goes along and there's no credibility to this at all?'

Oh, I didn't mean Montgomery was like Pettigrew! Crap, if that's the way it came off, I'm going to have to edit that- I meant more in terms of my reaction to both their characters when I see them prior to the big 'reveal', that what happens later affects the way I view them before. It's like...if someone I love is written off a show and the writers kill them (doesn't count with Elizabeth 'coz she got killed off a few times so it's not the end, y'know?), I can't watch that show again because back in the early days, when they're all carefree and innocent, all I see is them

[anuna_81]

Also, the hangar scene. Montgomery came there to die instead of Kate. Considering how these bad guys were determinant to shoot her, it comes across as tragic and you know, I wonder if he died in vain, but that's not the biggest point for me. Kate was his redemption. he did everything he could to help her become a good cop, and also, everything he could to protect her from this case, from these guys, and from herself. He couldn't choose between his family and her, he would never be able to live with her death, so he sacrificed himself

[borg_princess]

I wonder if he died in vain

I feel like he did. Everything was to protect Kate and he said he'd made sure HE couldn't get to Beckett and then she gets shot at his funeral. SO SAD.

He couldn't choose between his family and her, he would never be able to live with her death, so he sacrificed himself.

I hate him dying, I hate the way it happened, but I think it was- given the situation the writers put him in- the only way it could be resolved. He'd never forgive himself if she got hurt 'coz of him, or worse, killed, and he didn't want his family to suffer for his sins. So I get his ending- it just really guts me that after his sacrifice, she still got shot anyway. So much for his contingency plan, whatever it was. >_<

I don't know who else would agree to do it, except RickIKR? If he'd called Ryan or Esposito, they wouldn't have come alone, no way. I kind of wish he had, because seriously, there was no reason for him not to have back-up hiding in the wings, there was pretty much ZERO danger if they'd been hidden in place and shot

[borg_princess]

the moment when he ripped that picture apart, because you know, that's his captain,a nd person he looked up to. And Ryan saw exactly how hurt he was, and how unwilling to admit to hismelf that it really happened

I...honestly don't know where I'd fall. As a viewer, I'm more objective, I'm like 'HE DID WRONG, GET HIM, DON'T DESTROY EVIDENCE, DO THE RIGHT THING'. But if a mentor of mine, someone I admired and respected and liked, had done something...IDEK. I don't think I'd be able to turn them in or get them in trouble. I couldn't turn off my feelings that easy, y'know? (obv if they did something against me, like tried to kill me or whatever, I'd change my tune, but in this case, yeah, ouch)

then he sees the shot coming but isn't quick enough

That's the worst part. I think he's going to be blaming himself a lot for that, for not seeing it sooner, for not reacting quicker, for getting to her too late. *pets him*

she doesn't need him protecting her, because she's an experienced homicide detective and all that, and I think people