This is not America

Sep 05, 2008 23:49

I'm kind of glad that I'm not yet able to vote ( Read more... )

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aquaknot September 6 2008, 06:05:57 UTC
In America everyone can move up or down. Gov't isn't there to help people learn the mechanisms. It has become simply another mechanism. We have few statesmen, mostly just politicians.

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boywithoutasoul September 6 2008, 14:29:05 UTC
Indeed.
To other matters - I need your email address.

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orangecone September 6 2008, 17:23:18 UTC
"Thus it is true that the two presidential candidates have no executive experience."

Look at what "executive experience" got us with this one.

I listened to a thing on NPR last week which compared the two candidates and how little difference there was in the nitty gritty of their policies. They went over several, but the only one which I can remember is their energy policies and the tiniest details between the two. I still haven't completely made up my mind, however neither choice for VP made me really wish to vote for either of them.

I think I want to write in my candidate for Pres and VP. I'll write in one and use the other's VP. ;-)

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montieth September 6 2008, 18:08:30 UTC
Look at what "executive experience" got us with this one.

What would we have gotten from the experience of the alternatives? The policy of Bush was entirely consistent with the stated policy of Clinton vis a vis Iraq.

I listened to a thing on NPR last week which compared the two candidates and how little difference there was in the nitty gritty of their policies. One is slowly shuffling towards a stronger, bigger federal government. The other one is RUNNING at it full speed. McCain is at least stating that he wants to slow that shuffle down and start cutting earmarks and pork and statist policies. Obama has stated that he wants MORE big government, MORE statist policies, and more bread and circuses ( ... )

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orangecone September 6 2008, 18:25:38 UTC
I don't disagree with you. I never said I was voting for Obama, nor was I endorsing him.

Alternatives in the previous election? I don't know what we could've gotten. Kerry wasn't elected, and I didn't want Kerry in office.

The only thing positive I know to say about Obama is what he says about our place on this globe in the realms of science and technology and what he says he wants to do about it.

I don't believe either of these candidates in much of anything in what they say.

As far as VPs go, I haven't had an opportunity to read up on Biden yet. I've been given a few issues to read up on, but I sure know I don't want a VP who is a creationist, anti pro-choice, abstinence only education supporting, and unaware of this country's history. All around seems to support ignorance.

I feel so alienated by the current candidates, I don't know which way to turn. BTW, I'm quite libertarian in my views, and would almost vote for Bob Barr if I didn't associate him with the GOP from years gone by.

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montieth September 6 2008, 18:36:55 UTC

The only thing positive I know to say about Obama is what he says about our place on this globe in the realms of science and technology and what he says he wants to do about it.

And how is he, going to change that? From where I sit, we do pretty darn good considering we ALSO provide a large portion of the globe with peace keeping forces AND with defense resources for those nations which exceed us in the areas that we are deficient.

The UK is a perfect example of this. They've had decades of socialism of the likes which Sen Obama is selling. They're about to more or less scrap the Royal Navy (Australia is going to have more Tons and More hulls in the water) and they've had serious problems with their heavy and medium industry for years.

As far as VPs go, I haven't had an opportunity to read up on Biden yet. I've been given a few issues to read up on, but I sure know I don't want a VP who is a creationist, anti pro-choice, abstinence only education supporting, and unaware of this country's history. All around seems to support ( ... )

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montieth September 6 2008, 18:21:36 UTC
Sure, at some level the belief in the American dream is real. I consider myself a part of that - an immigrant who has found myself in the top 20% of American society. The American dream is working for me. What really blows my mind is the people who don't realize how America doesn't prepare its lower classes for making America work for themIts not the legal or ethical responsibility of the Federal government to do so. That is the job of the states. If Georgia has bad schools, it's Georgia's job to address that issue. If Louisiana has problems managing most of its own levees and where houses are built, that's Louisiana's job to fix them. Further, the federal government does not have the power. Until the 9th and 10th amendments are repealed through article V and other changes are made to the constitution, a lot of Federal Legislation we see, from congress but especially from the left, is actually just down right unconstitutional ( ... )

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montieth September 6 2008, 18:44:16 UTC
But it has already been recognized that Obama is a great orator. He can deliver a speech extremely well. But he hit some high points and low points. I would disagree. Strongly. He's a great orator if you don't look at what he actually says. He says we have a bad economy then he says he wants to increase corporate taxes, especially on the oil companies ( ... )

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