Previously on Battlestar Galatica, Felix Gaeta was the most hilariously badass telephone operator in the Fleet. Oh, and he took over the ship with Zarek.
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Is it necessary to call them "Team Snowflake"? In all honesty, I wasn't surprised that the mutiny happened, it had been building for a while actually. Though while I understood where they were coming from I felt they were entirely in the wrong with going about things, particularly since it was more about targeting revenge instead of looking at the larger picture. I understood the feelings many colonials felt in regards to the Cylons, many wouldn't have changed how they felt no matter what happened, however they were being entirely reckless. These group of Cylons went were rebels against their own kind in order to help the humans, they risked their lives, destroyed their own resurrection for a chance to redeem themselves, to find common ground. And in times of war sometimes creating an alliance based on the same endgame is perhaps better than going the route of "us against them" or in means of pure revenge
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I agree that Gaeta just wanted someone to listen to him. I feel like, during the "trial", all he wanted was for Adama to explain himself. I can definitely see why Adama didn't talk--not wanting to give any credence to what was happening, and also being royally pissed--but I wish he had. Because even if Felix hadn't liked the answer, I think he would have backed down and stood once more beside his beloved Commander if only he had an inkling why things were happening the way they were.
(If only because to think otherwise--that Felix actually thought that was justice--ZAREK as judge???--is just too out of character for him.)
These group of Cylons went were rebels against their own kind in order to help the humans, they risked their lives, destroyed their own resurrection for a chance to redeem themselves, to find common ground. And in times of war sometimes creating an alliance based on the same endgame is perhaps better than going the route of "us against them" or in means of pure revenge.
Throughout the show we've seen explorations of humanity within the Cylons, and seeing the difficulties and problematic issues arise within their own race and society. I think without there being any kind of alliance with the Cylons at some point would have been a huge cop-out, imo. You said this and everything else very well, at a time when I was in a state of "OH GOD TOO MUCH NUANCE I CAN'T RIGHT NOW" and closed my internet window. Thank you. *g*
These group of Cylons went were rebels against their own kind in order to help the humans, they risked their lives, destroyed their own resurrection for a chance to redeem themselves, to find common ground.Respectfully, I disagree. They didn't rebel because of New Caprica or to help the humans. They rebelled due to an internal conflict about lobotomizing the raiders and concerns about how far Cavil would go. They sought out Kara, because they needed help getting the basestar to jump, otherwise they were sitting ducks. They admitted they needed to destroy the Hub to get Cavil off their back and planned all along to take the pilots hostage (Roslin was a bonus). Even the drives were for citizenship and a representative on the Quorum, not because they were remorseful or wanted to help humans, but because they wanted Galactica to protect them
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Often I feel like Kara and Tigh are Adama's Special Snowflakes. No matter what they do, he (and, by extension, the writers) will let it slide. Others among the Galactica crew are not so lucky.
This is not to say I don't like them--Tigh in particular has a really fascinating arc.
(I'm team Cylon, Team Starbuck, Team Gaeta... they were all right AND wrong. It's not black or white.)
I wasn't satisfied with how the mutiny fall out was handled but the episode itself was really good. Kara dragging Sam, who's bleeding all over her, to sickbay one inch at time guts me. This episode is really defining for her. Everything changes here.
I agree it's not completely black or white, and BSG is at its absolute best when it's exploring all the nuances of grey! I mostly wish that there would have been some repercussions in following episodes. When Adama suddenly decided he didn't want Cylon technology fixing the Galactica (without even the briefest moment of "oh, hey, this must have been what Gaeta was talking about"), I was yelling curses at my TV.
When Adama suddenly decided he didn't want Cylon technology fixing the Galactica (without even the briefest moment of "oh, hey, this must have been what Gaeta was talking about"), I was yelling curses at my TV. OH MY GOD, THAT DROVE ME INSANE.
I'm Team Cavil, of course, but I can see both sides of the mutiny. Adama & Co. had a major point: alliance with the rebel Cylons was the Fleet's only hope, and was a reasonable choice at any rate ("the enemy of my enemy is my friend"). Gaeta & Co. had a major point: this shouldn't have been forced on everyone, especially not in such a short period of time, and especially not when the President and Admiral were out to lunch.
The only thing I don't like about the mutiny is that it didn't go anywhere. It would have made an awesome counterpoint to the Cylon Civil War, if that had gone anywhere, but as it is, it just seems thrown in to fill space (and to get rid of an atheist character, of course. Can't forget about that, very important!)
Given not!Earth and the mutiny, it should have been pretty simple to come up with a single coherent story arc to finish the series, so it's a frakkin' shame that the writers didn't bother. The end of this episode was the last time I was satisfied with the show, right until The Plan.
The only thing I don't like about the mutiny is that it didn't go anywhere. It would have made an awesome counterpoint to the Cylon Civil War, if that had gone anywhere, but as it is, it just seems thrown in to fill space (and to get rid of an atheist character, of course. Can't forget about that, very important!)
That bugged me so much. They had this wonderful wind up, but never went anywhere with it.
No one had to change their minds and agree with the mutineers, but it would have been nice to have even a moment's followup of someone wondering why a loyal nerd like Gaeta would revolt or something. Sigh. For a show that usually does so well with morally grey, they sure put this together as a pretty black and white issue.
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Is it necessary to call them "Team Snowflake"? In all honesty, I wasn't surprised that the mutiny happened, it had been building for a while actually. Though while I understood where they were coming from I felt they were entirely in the wrong with going about things, particularly since it was more about targeting revenge instead of looking at the larger picture. I understood the feelings many colonials felt in regards to the Cylons, many wouldn't have changed how they felt no matter what happened, however they were being entirely reckless. These group of Cylons went were rebels against their own kind in order to help the humans, they risked their lives, destroyed their own resurrection for a chance to redeem themselves, to find common ground. And in times of war sometimes creating an alliance based on the same endgame is perhaps better than going the route of "us against them" or in means of pure revenge ( ... )
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(If only because to think otherwise--that Felix actually thought that was justice--ZAREK as judge???--is just too out of character for him.)
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Throughout the show we've seen explorations of humanity within the Cylons, and seeing the difficulties and problematic issues arise within their own race and society. I think without there being any kind of alliance with the Cylons at some point would have been a huge cop-out, imo.
You said this and everything else very well, at a time when I was in a state of "OH GOD TOO MUCH NUANCE I CAN'T RIGHT NOW" and closed my internet window. Thank you. *g*
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This is not to say I don't like them--Tigh in particular has a really fascinating arc.
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(I'm team Cylon, Team Starbuck, Team Gaeta... they were all right AND wrong. It's not black or white.)
I wasn't satisfied with how the mutiny fall out was handled but the episode itself was really good. Kara dragging Sam, who's bleeding all over her, to sickbay one inch at time guts me. This episode is really defining for her. Everything changes here.
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(GOD, Kara and Sam! Heartbreaking!!)
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OH MY GOD, THAT DROVE ME INSANE.
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The only thing I don't like about the mutiny is that it didn't go anywhere. It would have made an awesome counterpoint to the Cylon Civil War, if that had gone anywhere, but as it is, it just seems thrown in to fill space (and to get rid of an atheist character, of course. Can't forget about that, very important!)
Given not!Earth and the mutiny, it should have been pretty simple to come up with a single coherent story arc to finish the series, so it's a frakkin' shame that the writers didn't bother. The end of this episode was the last time I was satisfied with the show, right until The Plan.
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That bugged me so much. They had this wonderful wind up, but never went anywhere with it.
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All of season 4.5 was like this... after four seasons of moral ambiguity, all of a sudden we got Battlestar Galactica: VeggieTales.
Yep, still bitter.
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