Amy gets angry and does something about itI think we're arriving at the same conclusion via slightly different thought processes. I don't think the Amy who grows up with her parents (who love her, even if they do send her to psychiatrists - and hey, wouldn't you?) is as emotionally messed up as the first Amy we see. When she tells Rory she loves him in The Big Bang, it comes out so easily. Granted, after that she does continue to flirt with everything and Rory still occasionally has moments of doubting how much she loves him, but their relationship is definitely different in the sixth series. But Amy is still Amy, and she is not sweet and meek and accepting. People who hurt her will know about it
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I think the parents being there made a massive difference - but given that Amy and Rory got the series 5 memories back, some of her first growing up must have bled through into series 6 Amy, and she's still quite friendly-abusive with her affection rather then outright saying what she thinks (stupid face is my favourite endearment ever).
Hahaha! That explanation is so much better than mine - I had:
The Doctor has to be at the beach (the Doctor IS at the beach). River had to shoot, and kill (she does, the Tesselecta.) Something looking like the Doctor had to die. That explanation, however, didn't solve the touching thing. And you fixed it!
I would've loved if Rory had mentioned, in Girl Who Waited, that the Doctor had taken everything from him at that point with time travel - his daughter and his wife. And redelivered them both to him decades too late.
Of COURSE Moffat cheated. The non cheating version is killing the Doctor. (I mean, I went ganger, and picked the wrong type of cheating, but I could've told you there'd be cheating
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Of COURSE Moffat cheated.. Haha. Yes. It's what he does.
Stupid face is lovely! My family are strange and wonderful and affectionately sarcastic so I never had as much of a problem with Amy's insults as some people did, but in my head the season five memories are the source of a good deal of Rory's worrying.
I would have loved Rory to say that, too. Again, I wanted a lot more made of Melody than we got. But I thought The Girl Who Waited was pretty close to perfect otherwise so not too bothered!
>>Just because the history books say the Doctor died on the beach doesn't mean the Doctor died on the beach. The fixed point in time was River shooting the Tesselector!Doctor. And since it was always the Tesselector!Doctor on the beach then it was the Tesselector!Doctor and River who broke time and them touching would snap everything back into place.... )
After having just read this, the most important factor = Amy doesn't get sad, she doesn't whine; Amy gets angry. And she retaliates. She's not the normal stereotypical girl who has her heart on her sleeve, she gets even.
And exactly, the reason why Amy and Rory didn't search for baby Melody was because they knew they could alter mini Mel and River. They didn't want to chance ruining their childhood, much less than their own daughter's. And think about it, if there are two people who know when to respect time and when to go, "ah screw it", it's Amy and Rory. Between the crack in the wall, Rory the Roman, the Pandorica, and The Girl Who Waited, Amy and Rory understand how time can screw with them, but they always find a way to work with it.
I loved the line on how Amy stated that River was just fine. Between that and seeing the ruthlessness River sometimes gets = from her mom was fantastic.
I just... once your child is twenty years older than you, she gets a say in what happens to her. Thems the rules. I don't think fandom gets to collectively condemn Ten for what he did to Donna, and then condemn Amy, Rory and Eleven for not doing exactly the same to River. Because it's worse than mindwipe. The sacrifice she made in the SitL/FotD, and the Byzantium, and just everything she ever did, she never did it. You're not just erasing the memory of it, like Donna, and leaving the universe to sing her praises and never forget, you're asking everyone to forget what she could have been.
I said something similar in response to people who were angry that all Amy did was kill Kovarian in response to her stealing Melody.
I don't know about you, but I don't want to watch Amy have a Lifetime Channel for Women moment. And that's all it would be. It's a lot of mental anguish, having your child kidnapped. It's a lot of crying, a lot of laying in bed, a lot of being angry at the world and breaking that ugly vase your great-aunt got you for Christmas. Amy? Amy's Scottish. Have a shot of whiskey or two. Steady your nerves, get angry, plot revenge! Amy's revenge was perfect.
Maybe she did cry. But it was offscreen. Rory maybe walked in on her once or twice, and she got his shirt wet. But I don't want to watch that. I'll read the fanfiction about it, but I don't want to watch it.
I would totally read the fanfiction where it was the Doctor who found her crying (and then he ran away, and found Rory, because Rory's not scared of tears.)
I love that Amy saved the anger until a moment when it was useful, and then just unleashed it, did the dirty work, then proposed to Rory (I say "prosposed", I use it loosely.) This is not the work for a Lifetime Channel girl. This is the work of a girl with a train-slash-office.
And oh, Rory, so calm and stoic and determined. I love that his passivity when it comes to Amy completely got flagged up and it never got labelled as good or bad.
I agree with this whole post. I will also say that I think Amy's actions in TWoRS totally make up for the supposed lack of angst from the previous five episodes. It seems silly now that I, and others, were complaining about it.
She's Scottish. She bottles, and doesn't talk. And then she gets in a fight. All that was missing from this display of Scottishness was her being drunk.
(I wanted to complain, but I didn't feel like I could until I knew the entire story. Also, everyone else was, and I was feeling bloody minded.)
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Hahaha! That explanation is so much better than mine - I had:
The Doctor has to be at the beach (the Doctor IS at the beach). River had to shoot, and kill (she does, the Tesselecta.) Something looking like the Doctor had to die. That explanation, however, didn't solve the touching thing. And you fixed it!
I would've loved if Rory had mentioned, in Girl Who Waited, that the Doctor had taken everything from him at that point with time travel - his daughter and his wife. And redelivered them both to him decades too late.
Of COURSE Moffat cheated. The non cheating version is killing the Doctor. (I mean, I went ganger, and picked the wrong type of cheating, but I could've told you there'd be cheating ( ... )
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Haha. Yes. It's what he does.
Stupid face is lovely! My family are strange and wonderful and affectionately sarcastic so I never had as much of a problem with Amy's insults as some people did, but in my head the season five memories are the source of a good deal of Rory's worrying.
I would have loved Rory to say that, too. Again, I wanted a lot more made of Melody than we got. But I thought The Girl Who Waited was pretty close to perfect otherwise so not too bothered!
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And exactly, the reason why Amy and Rory didn't search for baby Melody was because they knew they could alter mini Mel and River. They didn't want to chance ruining their childhood, much less than their own daughter's. And think about it, if there are two people who know when to respect time and when to go, "ah screw it", it's Amy and Rory. Between the crack in the wall, Rory the Roman, the Pandorica, and The Girl Who Waited, Amy and Rory understand how time can screw with them, but they always find a way to work with it.
I loved the line on how Amy stated that River was just fine. Between that and seeing the ruthlessness River sometimes gets = from her mom was fantastic.
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Still annoyed at my lovely Donna being forced to forget (she was so awesome!)
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Not that she is my favourite Companion ever or anything.
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I don't know about you, but I don't want to watch Amy have a Lifetime Channel for Women moment. And that's all it would be. It's a lot of mental anguish, having your child kidnapped. It's a lot of crying, a lot of laying in bed, a lot of being angry at the world and breaking that ugly vase your great-aunt got you for Christmas. Amy? Amy's Scottish. Have a shot of whiskey or two. Steady your nerves, get angry, plot revenge! Amy's revenge was perfect.
Maybe she did cry. But it was offscreen. Rory maybe walked in on her once or twice, and she got his shirt wet. But I don't want to watch that. I'll read the fanfiction about it, but I don't want to watch it.
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I love that Amy saved the anger until a moment when it was useful, and then just unleashed it, did the dirty work, then proposed to Rory (I say "prosposed", I use it loosely.) This is not the work for a Lifetime Channel girl. This is the work of a girl with a train-slash-office.
And oh, Rory, so calm and stoic and determined. I love that his passivity when it comes to Amy completely got flagged up and it never got labelled as good or bad.
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that all Amy did was kill Kovarian in response to her stealing Melody
What?? It's cold blooded murder! It's a pretty big deal where I come from!
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Um... again, I don't want to watch the emotional trauma, and it's enough because SOMEONE IS DEAD. asdlfkjad;lfkj. Sometimes, this fandom...
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(I wanted to complain, but I didn't feel like I could until I knew the entire story. Also, everyone else was, and I was feeling bloody minded.)
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