Wow. I really like the thoughts you've put down here, and it does sort of put the show and the character in an interesting light. It really does sharpen Jack's struggle to do the right thing and to be "good" (in the overall, relative sense of saving lives, etc.), and yeah, I was thinking about how it does make the estrangement with Kim all the more woeful.
Obviously he likely didn't--and doesn't--know his father is a baddie, but then he does likely have some sense of his father's faults, (if not their scope) and that's what he was trying not to be.
And wah, this is the second father that's kind of disappointed him in that way, as I could see a bit of a father figure thing going on last season with Henderson. :( When Jack finds out how much his father knows and was involved... Oh, boy.
Thinking about how horribly isolated Jack is this season just makes me cling to Milliways all the more. I mean there are people he trusts, but there's no one he's really close to, not like he was to Kim, Audrey, Tochelle...
Yes, sleep deprived Rachel is an analytical Rachel. Oh, absolutely, Henderson was a father figure/mentor who turned out to be...not on the up and up. I can't even imagine how he'll react when he finds out about Daddy.
So woeful. I want her to come back so badly Karen.
Maybe the reason he finds to live is to fix his family's mistakes.
Hee, yeah I was talking about that with Bridget and I'm all "Ryan is going to bunk with Jack if it means keeping them apart." *giggle* I think you're right, and of them the only one he seemed to trust seeing his emotions was Audie.
But more of interest is how making Jack a product of this man affects our understanding of the character and his history. It also makes his relationship with Kim and the outcome even more tragic because he tried to be everything his own father wasn't and still failed because of things beyond his control.
Fabulous analysis. Jack might have failed with Kim, simply because he tried too hard to prove he wasn't the same as his father. Yet, in just the two episodes that we've seen Philip Bauer, it's clear that Jack comes from the same mold. Both are ruthless when they need to be, to further their goals.
That could also explain his almost reckless need to self-sacrifice, to show the world that he is not his father's son. Yet his survival instinct appears to be far stronger.
Hee. Thank you (yes, years of learning analysis in film school totally paid off). Oh, good point about the ruthlessness, but I think the motives are very different. Jack failed with Kim because he did push her away, for different reasons, and in his desire to protect her, he destroyed her.
It's interesting because his survival instinct is strong but he has almost no sense of self-preservation. I still want to know WHY they are estranged and the show better tell us soon.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Very interesting insights! I do hope Jack isn't "cursed". I mean, I don't believe in curses in real life, so I wouldn't want someone I care so much about suffering from something that I think isn't real. Especially because it's something that's beyond his control. :(
Basically, i've got a big I DON'T KNOW sign on my head. I just want to wait to see what happens next. Seriously though, I don't think Jack can take much more of this. They have to give him some kind of hope to carry him through the day.
I was thinking it would be awesome if Chloe had kept tabs on Kim for Jack. Like she did while he was in hiding. There Jack is in a Chinese prison and she isn't able to do anything about it. It would make sense for her to want to do that, in honor of him.
Excellent points. I agree that Philip almost certainly was cruler to Graem (and dear 24 how unfair of you to make me feel sympathy for the man responsible for at least Michelle's death since Tony survived that first attack and thousands of other deaths). Graem reacted to the abuse in a "I'm going to make my dad proud of me someday" way - and his desire for his dad to see him in the same light is really clear in the line: "Everyone thinks Jack is so tough. Well, maybe he is. But I am too." I only bring up the way he talks to Jack because while he seems to be saying complimentary things sor perhaps even wistful thoughts - it's kind of obvious to the audience that what he's really doing is causing Jack even more guilt and at a time that the character's emotions are fragile
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Obviously he likely didn't--and doesn't--know his father is a baddie, but then he does likely have some sense of his father's faults, (if not their scope) and that's what he was trying not to be.
And wah, this is the second father that's kind of disappointed him in that way, as I could see a bit of a father figure thing going on last season with Henderson. :( When Jack finds out how much his father knows and was involved... Oh, boy.
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Thinking about how horribly isolated Jack is this season just makes me cling to Milliways all the more. I mean there are people he trusts, but there's no one he's really close to, not like he was to Kim, Audrey, Tochelle...
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So woeful. I want her to come back so badly Karen.
Maybe the reason he finds to live is to fix his family's mistakes.
Hee, yeah I was talking about that with Bridget and I'm all "Ryan is going to bunk with Jack if it means keeping them apart." *giggle* I think you're right, and of them the only one he seemed to trust seeing his emotions was Audie.
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Fabulous analysis. Jack might have failed with Kim, simply because he tried too hard to prove he wasn't the same as his father. Yet, in just the two episodes that we've seen Philip Bauer, it's clear that Jack comes from the same mold. Both are ruthless when they need to be, to further their goals.
That could also explain his almost reckless need to self-sacrifice, to show the world that he is not his father's son. Yet his survival instinct appears to be far stronger.
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It's interesting because his survival instinct is strong but he has almost no sense of self-preservation. I still want to know WHY they are estranged and the show better tell us soon.
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Basically, i've got a big I DON'T KNOW sign on my head. I just want to wait to see what happens next. Seriously though, I don't think Jack can take much more of this. They have to give him some kind of hope to carry him through the day.
I was thinking it would be awesome if Chloe had kept tabs on Kim for Jack. Like she did while he was in hiding. There Jack is in a Chinese prison and she isn't able to do anything about it. It would make sense for her to want to do that, in honor of him.
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Me too. There's so much we don't know.
Aw. That would be so awesome, but I don't think she did.
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