FUCK ME. I am a total noob, we adopted a two year old from a shelter and she is sweet as pie, except for this. Anyway, I didn't know what was what and who was who in dog training, so I googled for books, right? Kept coming back to his name of how he could teach ANY dog no matter what, so I fell for it...but now I'm finding out he is to dog training what Dr. Phil is to psychiatry. haha. I should have asked y'all first. Good thing I only paid 6 bucks on ebay.
I just know I have no desire to shock my dog into submission, that seems weird to me. ZZZZZAP.
Will do. Since you know something about this, I assume...I will ask. What kind of tactics should I expect from an obedience class? I priced them out and the ones I can afford are at Pet Smart (108$ for an 8 week class), and I know it depends on the trainer, right?, but if they're notorious for LULZY training, I could just use a book, I guess. I just thought it would be cool to have some formal training to learn how to teach her to mind me. What kind of questions should I ask to compare trainers?
I recommend Patricia McConnell. Cesar Milan is horrid and abusive. He does shit like alpha rolling dogs, which is so stupid. A dog that will let you roll it, doesn't need it ... and a dog that doesn't let you could be very dangerous to alpha roll.
Using a shock collar as a corrective device is not cool in my opinion. We do, however, have an invisible fence. My dogs don't get shocked and have only been shocked once or twice during training after I made my husband test the collar to see how painful it was. I cried like a baby when they got zapped but the trainer said "hey, it's better than your dog getting hit by a Buick." Our back yard is invisibly and physically fenced, the front yard has the invisible fence only (the dogs are never out front alone). They don't even wear their collars but they know their boundaries and I just feel much better knowing that if they get out the front door they're not bolting out into the street.
Someone left our back gate open a week ago, we came home from work and both of our dogs were standing in the front yard. They wouldn't leave because they know they're not supposed to and I'm grateful for it. So, used responsibly I'm cool with the fence.
Yeah, I am not nearly as turned off by the invisible fence thing as I am the shock collar thing, but yeah. Also, I did read it usually takes two times for a dog to learn their boundaries.
No on the shock collars. I can't imagine using those.
No strong opinion on the electric fence, mostly because I don't know enough about them.
Love Cesar Milan. I use almost 100% positive training on MY dogs (I'd say 100% for Dharma and 90% for Patience) because they are well-behaved and know their place. However, he rehabilitates dogs who have serious aggression issues and have sadly been royally fucked up by humans. His methods are appropriate in these cases. I would not, however, use them to teach a dog to sit or something. Context is important here.
I totally disagree with this - Cesar Milan is a charlatan who does not rehabilitate dogs - he cows them with fear and aggressive tactics, which really just makes them more dangerous in the end.
One of my *favorite* episodes was one where he forced a great dane to walk on the shiny floors that he was terrified of (this technique is called "flooding") and the dog that emerged on the other end of his program was a fearful, broken animal. Not a rehabilitated dog. He creates learned helplessness and it is appalling.
He does not "rehabilitate" them, he makes their issues worse by applying outdated theory. Read/watch some stuff on dog behavior and then tell me those dogs aren't incredibly afraid.
Comments 26
(The comment has been removed)
I just know I have no desire to shock my dog into submission, that seems weird to me. ZZZZZAP.
Reply
(The comment has been removed)
Will do. Since you know something about this, I assume...I will ask. What kind of tactics should I expect from an obedience class? I priced them out and the ones I can afford are at Pet Smart (108$ for an 8 week class), and I know it depends on the trainer, right?, but if they're notorious for LULZY training, I could just use a book, I guess. I just thought it would be cool to have some formal training to learn how to teach her to mind me. What kind of questions should I ask to compare trainers?
Reply
He's a terrible "trainer"
Like I said, check out that McConnell lady.
http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/
Reply
Reply
Someone left our back gate open a week ago, we came home from work and both of our dogs were standing in the front yard. They wouldn't leave because they know they're not supposed to and I'm grateful for it. So, used responsibly I'm cool with the fence.
Reply
(The comment has been removed)
Yeah, I am not nearly as turned off by the invisible fence thing as I am the shock collar thing, but yeah. Also, I did read it usually takes two times for a dog to learn their boundaries.
Reply
No strong opinion on the electric fence, mostly because I don't know enough about them.
Love Cesar Milan. I use almost 100% positive training on MY dogs (I'd say 100% for Dharma and 90% for Patience) because they are well-behaved and know their place. However, he rehabilitates dogs who have serious aggression issues and have sadly been royally fucked up by humans. His methods are appropriate in these cases. I would not, however, use them to teach a dog to sit or something. Context is important here.
Reply
One of my *favorite* episodes was one where he forced a great dane to walk on the shiny floors that he was terrified of (this technique is called "flooding") and the dog that emerged on the other end of his program was a fearful, broken animal. Not a rehabilitated dog. He creates learned helplessness and it is appalling.
Reply
Here's a good link for both you and the OP to read regarding CM.
Reply
Leave a comment