Oliver's acknowledgement of his "blind spot" when it comes to Laurel ironically counterpoints his refusal to distrust his mother in Season 1. In both cases, he's wrong; just in opposite directions.
Oooh. Poor Oliver. He thinks he has learned his lesson through the pain of his experience except he's bested by the narrative.
I don't think Oliver called the cops re. Laurel's drug abuse though? I though Blood sicc'd the cops on her via Daily as a way of dealing with her.
Sarah betrayed Laurel with Oliver because she thinks Laurel betrayed her with Oliver first. (This has to be the least convincing and most anticlimactic follow-up in the entire history of the line "She's not what you think!" But I can see why Sarah felt burned.)That was kinda weird, but I actually liked learning that Laurel was not so saintly back then (having her on a pedestal did terrible things to her character throughout S1). I mean, they were teenagers and had resentment and jealousy issues, big whoop. I guess in retrospect, Sara coming
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I was going to wait to talk about episodes until I did my big "Why I like Arrow" post, but then I might be waiting forever. Episodic brain-dump it is!
Oooh. Poor Oliver. He thinks he has learned his lesson through the pain of his experience except he's bested by the narrative.
Well, he has learned some lessons. He's talking to Diggle and Felicity about both his feelings and his decisions. And we can see how much he's changed by measuring him against Roy, who won't accept Thea's support and only half-accepts Sin's. Though the fact that he seeks out Sin is one of the big differences from how he deals with the mirakuru and how Slade does. When Slade chokes Oliver, Sara has to hit him to talk him down, and he leaves his companions the first chance he gets. When Roy smacks Sin back, he immediately goes to see if she's okay, and that's what breaks him out of it. Even if he does walk out on Thea and Sin immediately after
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I was going to wait to talk about episodes until I did my big "Why I like Arrow" post, but then I might be waiting forever.
*big eyes* I still very much wanna read this, by the way. If you feel like writing it, that is!
Earlier today, I went and reread my one and only Arrow post from S1... because of reasons, and totally cracked up at myself for being all dismissive of the show (although I was already shipping Oliver/Felicity back then, quelle surprise). Who would have known I was gonna become all emotionally invested and suchlike?
The fact that Roy is more willing to accept help people, the more butch they are, is not impressing me. But it's a good character note.
Seriously, Roy Harper is a fantastic role for a young up-and-coming actor. If only they hadn't cast the blandest Abercrombie and Fitch model in existence for the role (fer serious, Colton Haynes used to be an actual trufax Abercrombie and Fitch model.)
I think I could like her on the show, if the writers would abandon the idea of her Destined Love with Oliver. *nods
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*big eyes* I still very much wanna read this, by the way. If you feel like writing it, that is!
It will be so boring for you! I don't have anything to say you haven't already covered. But I will try, just in hopes of getting more people to watch show and talk about it with me.
I love your S1 Arrow post. (Well, okay, I love all your Arrow posts.)
(fer serious, Colton Haynes used to be an actual trufax Abercrombie and Fitch model.)
I did not know that! Those lines make much more sense now. I mean, sure, he looks like an Abercrombie & Fitch model, but it's not a helpful description to offer someone at a vintage clothing store.
*nods* I'm on the same boat. Ditto on how bitter and jaded Laurel would be more in KC's wheelhouse. For the first few eps of S2, I actually thought they were going to keep Laurel as an antagonist to Arrow this season and thought that might be interesting, although her motivations (the whole blaming Arrow for Tommy's death part) were rubbish.I'm starting to get a sense of what the show wants to do with
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I don't know what to think about Katie Cassidy. I really did like her on Supernatural, and I've heard good things about her on Harper's Island. I don't know why she isn't clicking for me here. I really do think that the actress who plays Sarah has a lot more chemistry with Oliver and their history makes them a better match, IMHO.
I don't dislike Roy as much as you do, although I would like to see a stronger performance. I'm hoping that as they move into the training of Roy that either he starts hitting the part better, or they tailor the part to his strengths as an actor. It looks like they are committed to keeping him, whereas they could slot Sarah in as the only Black Canary and go from there.
I feel bad for the negative response Cassidy is getting on Arrow, especially after the flood of misogyny in Supernatural fandom. I don't think either she or the actress who plays Sara have any decent romantic chemistry with Oliver, but I think both of them could work as colleagues and friends. Slotting Laurel into the romantic interest role isn't doing her character any good.
(I can't say that I wouldn't be dubious about the perceptions of a drug addict in denial, either. But it hit me hard, all the men using her mental problems to dismiss anything she said as craziness. Because her evidence may be circumstantial, but it's still more than either Oliver or Det. Lance have had when they pursued other investigations.)
This is SUCH an important point that I've been trying to figure out a way to put into words and just failing but, yes. This.
(This has to be the least convincing and most anticlimactic follow-up in the entire history of the line "She's not what you think!" But I can see why Sarah felt burned.)
Wait. That was the answer to that? I thought she left it lingering and we haven't found out what she meant. So if that is the answer, yes. Super anti-climactic as in I couldn't even tell it WAS a follow up. Huh.
I don't hate Roy but I would be on board with him getting fridged so Thea could be badass. So on board.
I don't think the show necessarily gets the gendered component of this, but it does want us to feel some of her exclusion. After all, she's right.
That was the answer to that?
I thought so! Maybe I'm wrong and there's another answer forthcoming.
I don't hate Roy but I would be on board with him getting fridged so Thea could be badass.
Part of it is that I resent the way he's taken over Thea's storyline. I'm fine with her being badass in a competent businesswoman way rather than a Strong Female Character way; I like that the show provides women who have various different ways of being strong. But I would rather see badass superheroine Thea than Thea who is only ever on screen to fight with her boyfriend or offer him unconditional support. (The unconditional support is also scary in the face of Roy's violence, with implications I'm not sure the show understands.)
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Oliver's acknowledgement of his "blind spot" when it comes to Laurel ironically counterpoints his refusal to distrust his mother in Season 1. In both cases, he's wrong; just in opposite directions.
Oooh. Poor Oliver. He thinks he has learned his lesson through the pain of his experience except he's bested by the narrative.
I don't think Oliver called the cops re. Laurel's drug abuse though? I though Blood sicc'd the cops on her via Daily as a way of dealing with her.
Sarah betrayed Laurel with Oliver because she thinks Laurel betrayed her with Oliver first. (This has to be the least convincing and most anticlimactic follow-up in the entire history of the line "She's not what you think!" But I can see why Sarah felt burned.)That was kinda weird, but I actually liked learning that Laurel was not so saintly back then (having her on a pedestal did terrible things to her character throughout S1). I mean, they were teenagers and had resentment and jealousy issues, big whoop. I guess in retrospect, Sara coming ( ... )
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Oooh. Poor Oliver. He thinks he has learned his lesson through the pain of his experience except he's bested by the narrative.
Well, he has learned some lessons. He's talking to Diggle and Felicity about both his feelings and his decisions. And we can see how much he's changed by measuring him against Roy, who won't accept Thea's support and only half-accepts Sin's. Though the fact that he seeks out Sin is one of the big differences from how he deals with the mirakuru and how Slade does. When Slade chokes Oliver, Sara has to hit him to talk him down, and he leaves his companions the first chance he gets. When Roy smacks Sin back, he immediately goes to see if she's okay, and that's what breaks him out of it. Even if he does walk out on Thea and Sin immediately after ( ... )
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*big eyes* I still very much wanna read this, by the way. If you feel like writing it, that is!
Earlier today, I went and reread my one and only Arrow post from S1... because of reasons, and totally cracked up at myself for being all dismissive of the show (although I was already shipping Oliver/Felicity back then, quelle surprise). Who would have known I was gonna become all emotionally invested and suchlike?
The fact that Roy is more willing to accept help people, the more butch they are, is not impressing me. But it's a good character note.
Seriously, Roy Harper is a fantastic role for a young up-and-coming actor. If only they hadn't cast the blandest Abercrombie and Fitch model in existence for the role (fer serious, Colton Haynes used to be an actual trufax Abercrombie and Fitch model.)
I think I could like her on the show, if the writers would abandon the idea of her Destined Love with Oliver. *nods ( ... )
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It will be so boring for you! I don't have anything to say you haven't already covered. But I will try, just in hopes of getting more people to watch show and talk about it with me.
I love your S1 Arrow post. (Well, okay, I love all your Arrow posts.)
(fer serious, Colton Haynes used to be an actual trufax Abercrombie and Fitch model.)
I did not know that! Those lines make much more sense now. I mean, sure, he looks like an Abercrombie & Fitch model, but it's not a helpful description to offer someone at a vintage clothing store.
*nods* I'm on the same boat. Ditto on how bitter and jaded Laurel would be more in KC's wheelhouse. For the first few eps of S2, I actually thought they were going to keep Laurel as an antagonist to Arrow this season and thought that might be interesting, although her motivations (the whole blaming Arrow for Tommy's death part) were rubbish.I'm starting to get a sense of what the show wants to do with ( ... )
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I don't dislike Roy as much as you do, although I would like to see a stronger performance. I'm hoping that as they move into the training of Roy that either he starts hitting the part better, or they tailor the part to his strengths as an actor. It looks like they are committed to keeping him, whereas they could slot Sarah in as the only Black Canary and go from there.
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This is SUCH an important point that I've been trying to figure out a way to put into words and just failing but, yes. This.
(This has to be the least convincing and most anticlimactic follow-up in the entire history of the line "She's not what you think!" But I can see why Sarah felt burned.)
Wait. That was the answer to that? I thought she left it lingering and we haven't found out what she meant. So if that is the answer, yes. Super anti-climactic as in I couldn't even tell it WAS a follow up. Huh.
I don't hate Roy but I would be on board with him getting fridged so Thea could be badass. So on board.
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I don't think the show necessarily gets the gendered component of this, but it does want us to feel some of her exclusion. After all, she's right.
That was the answer to that?
I thought so! Maybe I'm wrong and there's another answer forthcoming.
I don't hate Roy but I would be on board with him getting fridged so Thea could be badass.
Part of it is that I resent the way he's taken over Thea's storyline. I'm fine with her being badass in a competent businesswoman way rather than a Strong Female Character way; I like that the show provides women who have various different ways of being strong. But I would rather see badass superheroine Thea than Thea who is only ever on screen to fight with her boyfriend or offer him unconditional support. (The unconditional support is also scary in the face of Roy's violence, with implications I'm not sure the show understands.)
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