Your reasoning is based on, at least, one false assumption: Marriage is a Christian act... Marriage existed long before Christianity, in multiple cultures. It certainly is an important part of the Christian tradition, but it doesn't just belong to them.
I know they didn't invent it, but 'marriage' as it is defined today is based on the Christian "Man/Woman in holy matrimony" variety. That is what the government acknowledges as a legal union.
Incorrect. This is a statement that the Christian activist groups use to justify their actions. The legal definition is distinct of specific religious rites or flavors. This is circular logic: they claim the legal definition is based on their religious definition, and so they want to change the legal definition to match their religious definition. See how that works?
Also: civil unions do not give the same legal rights as marriages, but that's another story.
The habit of pick-and-choose-the-passages-I-like I won't defend.
Civil Unions SHOULD give the same benefits is what I was saying. Lose the word marriage and the problem goes away (for the most part). No more word games and technical definitions. I don't like the argument, and honestly I don't care if gay people are together or not. I truly don't. I just want them to find a way to be together without pissing everyone off in the process, regardless of who is at fault or whatever.
As I understand it, civil unions are exactly the same as marriage, except for the terminology: gay people can never say they are married in a civil union. That's what people wanted changed. I was against this, until I learned more about it.
Prop 8 had nothing to do with religion or religious unions. Churches that believe otherwise are run by idiots or people who are not doing their research, and are making their decisions based on bigotry.
Divorce is a perfectly legal civil right, and yet it goes against Christianity. Divorce became legal, and yet it has not been forced into churches; no one legalized divorce and then went to the Vatican and demanded it follow suit and make God be cool with it. Why are Christians okay with divorce being legal, but not okay with gay marriage? (Not to mention all the other shit that Christians are okay with when it comes to "traditional" marriage; spontaneous and short-lived vegas marriages, anyone? Celebrities being married for 2 days and then divorcing, anyone?) Prop 8's goal was to take away the
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I wasn't really talking about Prop 8. This was a snippet/retyping of something in a completely different forum. The original poster was talking about being gay and Christian. It pissed me off
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The stone to death men that are found lying with men passage is in the Old Testament, which theoretically is completely replaced by the New Testament, as I understand it. So only Jews should be attacking gays.
But then, my understanding of the particulars of Christian texts and precedents is REALLY rusty.
I want on the failboat too...dragonbait1November 6 2008, 12:27:13 UTC
If you are referring to gay people getting married in a church that follows the rules set down in Leviticus about homosexuality being wrong, sure, followers of that religion could deny the *Rite* of marriage to a churchmember for being gay
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Re: I want on the failboat too...cordreNovember 7 2008, 03:25:01 UTC
I said that civil unions SHOULD have the same quirks...I KNOW they don't. I am too rusty (and don't care) to really dive into the technicalities of the Bible...since I totally don't care about this particular topic enough to think about it. Especially since I am learning a language and 2 instruments. I don't have time to study anything else atm x_x
What does it matter what they are called?dragonbait1November 7 2008, 20:08:30 UTC
So if civil unions had the EXACT same rights etc as marriage then why care what they call it? It's pointless to say "You can have a civil union but don't call yourself married." If a religion believes that being gay is wrong (and they don't preach or practice violence) that's within their First Amendment rights. I disagree with it, but that is MY right. If gay members want the church to change things that is an internal issue. As long as there are venues for them to be married, it's not my concern (As I don't belong to said church
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Also: civil unions do not give the same legal rights as marriages, but that's another story.
The habit of pick-and-choose-the-passages-I-like I won't defend.
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Prop 8 had nothing to do with religion or religious unions. Churches that believe otherwise are run by idiots or people who are not doing their research, and are making their decisions based on bigotry.
Divorce is a perfectly legal civil right, and yet it goes against Christianity. Divorce became legal, and yet it has not been forced into churches; no one legalized divorce and then went to the Vatican and demanded it follow suit and make God be cool with it. Why are Christians okay with divorce being legal, but not okay with gay marriage? (Not to mention all the other shit that Christians are okay with when it comes to "traditional" marriage; spontaneous and short-lived vegas marriages, anyone? Celebrities being married for 2 days and then divorcing, anyone?) Prop 8's goal was to take away the ( ... )
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But then, my understanding of the particulars of Christian texts and precedents is REALLY rusty.
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I am too rusty (and don't care) to really dive into the technicalities of the Bible...since I totally don't care about this particular topic enough to think about it. Especially since I am learning a language and 2 instruments. I don't have time to study anything else atm x_x
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