I don't want to speak for Lim, but I think that's exactly the point!!! This is for US...celebrating fandom (in the small narrow, queer, media fandom sense :) without having to explain or justify ourselves...
And I think you're dead on on the changes already happening, and to me this vid is very much a celebration of what has been and what's being changed as we watch...
Seconding! I mean, "the tourists come and stare at us"--and Us, within the vid, is, I think, figured explicitly as K/Sers and their ever-spiraling descendants. It's not capital F-Fandom (i.e. science fiction, lit, anime, gen. It IS a NYC vid, to use your metaphor!
True, and I didn't say otherwise -- I just, to continue the metaphor, note that NYC also has a Tourism Board, not just to invite people to come and spend money here, but also to counteract some of the stereotypes people in the rest of America have about the place.
You Talkin' To ME?cesperanzaMarch 3 2007, 21:07:11 UTC
to counteract some of the stereotypes people in the rest of America have about the place
As a native New Yorker, I totally resemble that remark! And I mean, seriously, fuck 'em!--I hate tourists, I hate all the assholes who move here from Asswipe USA because "if they can make it here"--ie treat people like crap and gentrify the hell out of our neighborhoods, "they can make it anywhere," i.e. suburban New Jersey, apparently.
(And I really am talking about New York here, so no slash metaphors intended!)
So, to share my thoughts... a) Yes, it's an awesome vid; I like the use of effects and all. b) Does a vid need "explaining"? I do think this vid could be enjoyed by someone who doesn't have a background in fandom/slash/whathaveyou, but someone who has that background would understand it differently.
I was watching some vids last week with someone who had no idea what a vid was, and she was really confused. Massively confused. The only vid she really got was a humour vid for Hercules, which was really just a wacky clip vid. (A very good one, and I mean no critiscm, but it was a really one-level, accessible vid, and so good for beginners.) So yes, I think vids do need explaining.
i recognised very very very few things in that vid- i got the bat sign and (c) but erm, my understanding ended there. Its alienating to see soemthing called "us" that I think im supposed ot b a part of- yet, i watch this and feel as an outsider. I dont recognise the clips, i dont see how they fit toghetr :(
and yet, if other people do- thats good still- it reminds me of mythologies- a story about say an angry fire-sppitting god that lives in a mountain might make alot of sense to a group of people living near a volcano- but after th story is told and retold and people eventually hear it who dont live near a volcano - the story looses its meaning and is hard to explain
I feel like i'm part of the tribe but, im not close enough to the volcano to know what the fire god in the mountain is supposed to be, if that makes sense?
It makes total sense! "Us" seems very much a vid for people who came up through slash fandom via "old-school" pairings, starting with Kirk/Spock, through some of the shows I didn't recognize, Due South, etc. Some of the clips won't make sense without that context. But that doesn't make you less of a part of the tribe! Just hanging out with different myth-makers.
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And I think you're dead on on the changes already happening, and to me this vid is very much a celebration of what has been and what's being changed as we watch...
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As a native New Yorker, I totally resemble that remark! And I mean, seriously, fuck 'em!--I hate tourists, I hate all the assholes who move here from Asswipe USA because "if they can make it here"--ie treat people like crap and gentrify the hell out of our neighborhoods, "they can make it anywhere," i.e. suburban New Jersey, apparently.
(And I really am talking about New York here, so no slash metaphors intended!)
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Actually, I haven't. Link?
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So, to share my thoughts... a) Yes, it's an awesome vid; I like the use of effects and all. b) Does a vid need "explaining"? I do think this vid could be enjoyed by someone who doesn't have a background in fandom/slash/whathaveyou, but someone who has that background would understand it differently.
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i recognised very very very few things in that vid- i got the bat sign and (c) but erm, my understanding ended there. Its alienating to see soemthing called "us" that I think im supposed ot b a part of- yet, i watch this and feel as an outsider. I dont recognise the clips, i dont see how they fit toghetr :(
and yet, if other people do- thats good still- it reminds me of mythologies- a story about say an angry fire-sppitting god that lives in a mountain might make alot of sense to a group of people living near a volcano- but after th story is told and retold and people eventually hear it who dont live near a volcano - the story looses its meaning and is hard to explain
I feel like i'm part of the tribe but, im not close enough to the volcano to know what the fire god in the mountain is supposed to be, if that makes sense?
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